Little Doctor, Holy Terror - page 4
Most of our cardiologists are respectful/appreciative of the nursing staff, if not a pleasure to work with (we all have our favorites:) ).... Read More
Apr 7, '02Robyn, I have run into docs that treat nurses like this too.
Often they need to be reminded that there are lots of patients on the unit with differing blood sugar/ss times, and your double check was to ensure you and he were on the same page (patient)...docs get patients mixed up or forget their last orders sometimes too. Sometimes after they realize you're just double checking to prevent a possible misunderstanding/error, they will back down...lots of facilities have double check policies for insulin because there is such a potential for error, specially when docs are always changing the doses, going from q 4 to achs, etc.
Stand up for yourself professionally and don't let the jerks get to ya! It's your patient too and you are obliged to question conflicting orders..... I have seen this last line used with good results too. Good luck!
Apr 7, '02Back in the days of rotating interns, we had a short one who didn't want to be on our service and didn't mind taking it out on everyone--nurses, patients, ward clerks (whatever we call that position today), etc. He was arrogant and condescending--well, you know. There's a little rhyme that goes something like this:
I do not like you, Dr. Fell,
I don't know why and cannot tell
But this I know and know full well
I do not like you, Dr. Fell.
His name rhymed with "Fell", and the poem got a lot of play during his 21 days on our unit.
Apr 16, '02There was an incident at my hospital last week where a very abrasive, rude, smart-ass MD was FIRED by a family member of a patient because they overheard him yelling and cussing at a nurse. They felt that an MD that disrespects a nurse should not take care of their family member. Hooray for them!!
Apr 17, '02Howdy yall
from deep in the heart of texas
They get to far out of line just club them with a 4 iron. and be done with it,
keep it in the short grass yall
Apr 18, '02On the way to bed so haven't read the above posts, which I am certain are packed with info BUT, in OB, this happens quite a bit...So, I call the doc and give the info as briefly and concisely as possible..If he or she gives me a hard time, I mention that there is no need to speak with me in that way, and assure him/her that another RN is listening in for clarification's sake. Also might attempt to play a little doctor /nurse game ( not THAT kind ), and inform him/her that I was making him/her aware of the situation and, if it was not addressed, would be on the phone with him/her until the matter is adequately resolved.
If that doesn't do anything other than up your stress level, remember NEVER to raise your voice to their level. Keep it calm even if your heart is doing flip flops and you are semi seriously contemplating a contract hit!
Copy and highlight the harrassment policy. In our facility, I noted that the harrassment (as in sexual) also includes the line "threatening, intimidating or demeaning " behavior. If you have similar wording in your policy, COPY and HIGHLIGHT it. Meet with your nurse manager and document every time this person has a melt down. Note the time and content of what was said. You might even copy down the content of your facility's mission statement, as it usually points out that the hospital is committed to serving the community yada yada....Attach that to your harassment complaint...Remind the doctor, or take him aside and tell him privately (first time), that you do not address him in that manner and will not tolerate his speaking to you inappropriately or unprofessionally. Be calm when you do it. Good luck..
Apr 18, '02I wonder of the guys notice the docs give more of the 'little man' attitude to women.....chauvinist stuff.
The guys have entered a b**** session where I work where the nurses are discussing Dr. Jones' tone of voice, condescension, rudeness, hissy fits etc.
A few of the softer spoken guys will agree the docs are out of line to one and all, then other guys will say to me, "No, he doesn't talk to me that way...not anymore, cuz the first time he tried, I took him aside and told him I would be happy to meet him in the parking lot to settle this. And no problem since."
Now I wondered if this was machismo talking...... or if it really happened....but I notice the guys seem to be treated better in similar situations...and maybe its because they just won't take it.
Any comments, guys and gals? What have you observed?Last edit by mattsmom81 on Apr 18, '02
Apr 24, '02I agree with you 100% Mattsmom. Doctors, for the most part do not speak to us male nurses in a demeaning fashion. I cannot tell you if it some unwritten rule between males or what but i do have a theory. It involves the male brain.( Don't say it i know what you ladies are thinking!):chuckle I think in some subconscious place, in his brain, before a man speaks in a demeaning tone to another man there is a little voice that says, "this guy might be able to whip you butt."
I have noticed that even an assertive female does not get routinely abused by doctors as often. It's like the bulley principle, pick on those you can get away with it with.
I had one doctor try that with me when i was but a wee babe in the profession and after telling me i was stupid in front of a peds patient's family i physically pulled him into a playroom and proceded to read him the riot act that may or may not have included a physical threat or two. I think to this day that was the wrong way to handle the situation but i must have gotten my point across cause this same MD asked me to work for him three days later at 3x my present pay. I got away with it cause i am a pretty large man(6'1", 255lbs). Working for him was a great job right up to the day he left town and i became a traveler.
Hmmmm.....kinda went off on a tangent sorry its 3am and this shift is killing me lol
May 6, '02I honestly cannot count how many times I have said to obnoxious, arrogant doctors having temper tantrums:
"Was I the one who held a gun to your head and forced you to go into (specialty here). If you wanted to be home and asleep at 2 am on a Saturday night you should have gone into dermatology."
I've only had to say it to one hard headed trauma doc more than once. All the rest got the message the first time!:chuckle