Is the labor union philosophy and mentality a good thing?

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Is the labor union philosophy and mentality a good thing?

Is it actually a great thing for staff nurses in general and the profession as a whole?

Does pitting one nurse against the other while excluding other nurses who work at a facility the best we can come up with?

As a group, cans we not do better by taking the same basic principles of unity and mold them into something the whole profession can gain from?

As a group are we lacking in national leadership and direction to be able to come together?

Unions do promote unity within the individual group but at the same time can promote segregation within the profession.

I was recently taken back by what a nurse actually posted on this bulletin board. It was degrading to nurses in general and highly inflammatory. It went as far as to say that nurses did not care if someone lived or died that they were taking care of. The funny thing was that possibly many of the same nurses had worked at the same facility prior to a strike. Either as agency or the regular staff nurses who decided for whatever reasons to cross the picket line. Many of these same nurses will probably continue to work there after the strike is settled. I am sure that their care was not questioned prior to the strike and I bet their care will not be questioned after the strike. I hate to even post this here again even as a prime example of what the union mentality can cause other nurses to agree and go along with.

In the hopes that St. Peter would not soon be there.

The scabs in their street clothes were taking a nap

While the man in bed 7 just took a crap.

These scabs care nothing for patients, as the death toll will tell. >>

These scabs are nurses. As I said before many of them probably have worked there in the past. Now just how professional and unifying is this to the profession as a whole? And for a nurse to post this on a Bulletin board in support of a strike. This is truly scary. Makes me wonder just how far she would go. Will the next thing being spread by this nurse be something about other nurses intentionally killing patients they are caring for?

Here is another example of what happens:

Also, we are maintaining a comprehensive list of bargaining unit members who have crossed the line and are working inside the hospitals and clinics. We need to prove to the media that the numbers of nurses who have crossed are many less than management is asserting. This is the only way we can continue our pressure on the hospital to transfer patients out during this strike. We all know -- and so do our patients -- that the only care they can count on is the quality care we provide. When you go to Strike Headquarters, be sure and add names you have verified to the list.>>

This kind of sounds like a witch hunt to me. Much of it plain and simple retaliation from one nurse against another.

Everyday in just about every hospital a nurse makes a mistake of one kind of another. In fact, if you are a nurse you will eventually make a mistake sooner or later. I hope it is a simple one. But these nurse who have chosen to cross the picket line for whatever reasons they had are subject to facing an inquisition if they make the simplest of mistakes. In this particular strike they report that 100 staff nurses have crossed the picket lines. I am sure that they are on the list. How does this promote unity and not segregation? How is this kind of thing good for the profession as a whole.

Now also keep in mind that there are many nurses who work in these hospitals that are not represented by the union. Managers, directors of nursing, salaried nurses, nurses anesthetists, CNS, NP, and many times LPNs, not to mention nursing assistants find themselves either directly attacked or on the outside looking in. Many of these outsiders could actually be very beneficial in the battle to change things in a facility. But in the "us versus them" scenario it is not possible.

Union tactics such as work stoppages and slowdowns are hard to argue against. It does make others have to actually address the problems. If they were just some way that all the nurses actually involved could participate in this type of action without pitting nurse against nurse.

National leadership could go along way in not only promoting this type of unity but by actually organizing and directing it. This is what nursing truly needs.

There is one thing for sure that we do not need. We do not need nurses actively accusing other nurses of not caring if a patient they are taking care of lives or dies. If this is the bandwagon you have to jump on in order to be a good union member, then count me out.

Originally posted by hadit

Can those of you that know -name which unions are the better ones for nurses?

I'm happy with mine in Canada (BCNU), but you might want to specify what area you are in to get relevant replies.

Originally posted by hadit

Can those of you that know -name which unions are the better ones for nurses?

I can tell you one that isn't great, CWA Nurses United.

Specializes in Home Health.

I can tell ya two that aren't great.

Teamsters and NJ State Nurse Association. (NJSNA)

The NJSNA union actually had mandatory OT in the contract for the last Home Health Agency I worked at. It wasn't called mandatory OT, but what would you call it, when on your day off, you could be placed on call for a 6th day of work, when it wasn't your on-call day? It was called "Reverse senority."

Anyway, I am with you kewl. In the teamsters, they signed a three year contract. There are assinine policies in there, that cannot now be changed, even if the staff wish them to be. Also, the pay raises are so bad, I was just considering going back FT, but if I go from per diem, non-union, I drop from 24/hr (plus weekend diff) to 22 something/hr, and do waaaaaay more work as a case manager. I asked if they would consider giving me more, I am experienced, have worked there for over 2 years, NO.

I have a problem with the whole concept of unions. I mean I pay a fee every month, so that someone else can make a living on MY work?? Multiply $40 per pay x 100 employees x several institutions full of hundreds of employees. I think it is the cleverest scam going.

I don't know what to think about these proposals on the table. I do know one thing, if I were a student nurse reading this here, I think I would change my major.

Not sure nurses will ever get along wild, or be able to come together as a national unit. That is what the ANA is supposed to be for, not to push your buttons. Maybe we should ask the AMA to become a union for us? They certainly seem to know how to get things done!

Since someone is asking, New York State Nurses Association is the oldest & best nurses union in the nation and the one all the others look to as a model & leader.

The NJSNA is not a labor union and does not provide collective bargaining services at all so I am curious about this. What kind of contract was it?

NJSNA cant provide collective bargaining at this time but believed NJ nurses should be able to have that service and so this year set up a "shared services" agreement with the NYSNA in which NYSNA will provide the collective bargaining workplace union services to any group of NJ nurses that wants them to. These nurses will have dual membership in both associations. So far, this has occurred at Shore Memorial in Somers Point, south of Atlantic City. Others are in the process of organizing but have not yet been completed so I dont know what kind of contract it was at the home health agency.

I dont think it could be NJSNA union contract because NJSNA is not a union.

Whatever the agency had, Mandatory OT is now banned in NJ by order of the new law just signed by the Governor the other day.

Its a trade-off. The money is good. Getting vaca time off sucks if you are new. and the "pension" is from the stone age. But the 403B is very good.

A Female union leader members asked me to "join the ranks" because I'm male. I said no exactly because she made that comment. They need stonger leadership but having a member will not solve the issue(s). Its all about backbone.

Sometimes I feel the union mentally is not very professional.

Specializes in Home Health.

nurseyoda, if you look anything at all like your avatar, I think that is why they picked you! LOL!!! That one is hysterical!

Anyway, about the NJSNA, I was not actually in that union, since I was management, but I was told it was a union, union dues were paid, and there was a contract, which I was given, so I would know the terms and conditions. I don't have it anymore of course, since I no longer work there. But that is interesting news to me. Maybe they referred to it as a union for lack of a better description. I couldn't tell ya.

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