I think nurses share some of the blame for the nursing shortage. - page 8
I read recently that only 12% of all nurses are under the age of 30. Being a new graduate BSN and practicing nursing for 18 months, I found that statistic pretty horrifying. I have been visiting... Read More
Dec 25, '05Joined: Oct '05; Posts: 291; Likes: 9There it is again..."nurses eat their young." Mean people eat mean people, regardless of age.
While students want to be treated with respect, staff nurses would like the same, too. Please don't treat us like the sole purpose of our existence is to download all of our knowledge and experience into your brains; do some research on your own...look things up. If a nurse asks for your help and it's something you're allowed to do, please help, even if you already "have that skill checked off." Save the bored sighs and rolling eyes for your instructors.
And one of the best things you can do as a student is to not perpetuate the hackneyed expression, "nurses eat their young." It's a hurtful expression that does a great disservice to the countless nurses out there who have helped students over the years, often with little thanks or appreciation.
Dec 25, '05Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,006And one of the best things you can do as a student is to not perpetuate the hackneyed expression, "nurses eat their young." It's a hurtful expression that does a great disservice to the countless nurses out there who have helped students over the years, often with little thanks or appreciation.
Dec 25, '05Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 74; Likes: 4Quote from thegameI don't blame you for leaving the profession. First of all, I'm amazed that the charge nurse actually had a LPN train a RN...what the heck was she thinking? When I went through a BSN program 10 years ago, I received the same type of treatment from the nurses at the clinical sites. The instructors weren't any nicer and they were particularly rude to the men in the program. I eventually went back to school and became an Adult Nurse Practitioner. Graduate school (different school) was far better than I could have ever imagined. I absolutely love being a nurse practitioner and just about everyone has treated me with respect. It is very different from working as a RN. Before you rush off to medical school, you should definitely consider becoming a NP.I read recently that only 12% of all nurses are under the age of 30. Being a new graduate BSN and practicing nursing for 18 months, I found that statistic pretty horrifying. I have been visiting this site for about three months now and various nurses are trying to find out solutions to the nursing shortage and who to blame.
First off I think nurses need to share some of that blame. Like I said am a new nurse that graduated with my BSN and also with a Business degree. So I am keen to pick up on why things do not work. First off our normal nursing class size usually max out at thirty-five students. Our class started out with 27 students because the program did not receive enough applications to fill the class. During my last two years we lost 5 students out of the program not because of low grade or they failed out, most were top of our class, mostly because of lack of respect they received from nursing instructors and nursing staff at the local hospitals where we did our clinical.
LPN's and Rn's alike would ridicule most of the students. They would openly complain about us to the patients and to staff members alike. During report we would hear the RN's say "al my gosh we have students today, today would be a good day to call in sick". Don't get me wrong there was some educators that did a good gob and greeted us with open arms, but a majority of the time the staff was very disrespectful from RN's to Nursing Assistant's. Most of the teaching came from physicians if we had the opportunity to rounds with.
After graduation I passed my boards on the first try and took a job on a Medical Surgical floor. The first night was highly anticipated and was looking forward to my new career. I reported to the charge nurse who did not expect me and did not know who to put me with. Eventually they put me with a LVN who was very intolerable to teaching others and I seemed like a burden to her. Eventually I just left and told the charge nurse I was very disappointed by the way things was run here and left in middle of my shift.
Eventually I did land a job that did really well in teaching me the ins and outs of nursing. I would actually check on my fellow graduates after a year of last seeing them. One of my fellow students informed me that four other nurses got out of nursing they did not feel safe with the patient load given to them and very little mentoring from senior nurses.
I am 26 years of age, kind of old for a new graduate. I worked in other professions such and engineering as a drafter and sales. Never have I worked in a profession that fellow professionals were so rude and uncaring to each other. I have several friends who are physicians that talked me to going back to school and finish my classes to apply to Medical School, they openly joke about how nurses are very disrespectfully to each other and how senior nurses eat their young.
If the nursing profession were such a great career as most of you described, there would not be a shortage. I agree that that the aging baby boomer poses a challenge and is one of the reasons but I think we need to look in the mirror and accept some of the blame.
So in closing if you get a new graduated in the floor, accept them with open arms instead of treating them like a burden.
Dec 25, '05Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 74; Likes: 4Quote from SFCardiacRNI am a Master's prepared nurse practitioner, but I work a couple of weekends a month as a RN at the local hospital. When I work as a RN, I make the same amount of money as any other RN on the unit. I used to work at a hospital that paid BSN's exactly 50 cents more per hour than an ADN's - not much incentive to get a college degree!BSN and MSN are paid more but only when they use their advanced degrees. If an MSN remains in med/surg, they will be compensated like the other med/surg RN's. There is a huge shortage of clinical instructors. Not many MSN's are willing to take a pay cut to teach full time.
Dec 25, '05Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 74; Likes: 4You must have gone to the same program that I graduated from! I went to another college to get my Master's degree and was treated exceptionally well! I put off going back to school for years because I was afraid that I would have to put up with all the BS I got the first time around.
Quote from SnoopdI agree with what you say about the nursing "shortage", although I feel it's more a shortage of attractive jobs than a shortage of actual licensed nurses. However, one problem that contributes to the negative aspects of nursing is the way student nurses are treated by their instructors. In nursing school one has a target on their head from the day they start until the day they finish. They can be dropped at any time for almost any reason. This is so unlike medical school, where once one is accepted into the program, it is almost impossible to be dropped. True it's harder to get in, but once you are in you are in till the end. The support and respect and encouragement are temendous. One of my friends just completed the first year of medical school and he said on the first day the director told them "we will not allow you to fail, you are here till you finish the program." This is in sharp contrast to what our nursing director told us on our first day - "by the end of the program, only half of you will be here". Is that supposed to impress anyone? Does that make it a good program or reflect the level or quality of education that can be expected? So at my school there seems to be a tradition of "let's see if we can find reasons to drop people", then we can "show" everyone how hard our program is, rather than educating them and building up their confidence. Ironically, this program has one of the worst historical NCLEX passing rates in the state. Their justification for this is of course two things, "patient safety", and "critical thinking". It's amazing how the nursing education and profession continuously trumpets these two phrases and uses them as justification for everything they decide to do to themselves and their students and fellow employees. You don't hear doctors and other health care workers braying about this every minute of the day - it's so obvious, it doesn't need to be constantly trumpeted, yet in nursing education these phrases are applied and used to justify every action, however bizaare, misdirected, or unjust. This results in being tested on materials that were never covered in class, being expected to perfect clinical skills when there is no lab time to practice them except at the clinical site itself- how scary is that- and instructors who use their own subjectivity in deciding who will pass and who will fail. What is the solution? We need to set higher standards for incoming nursing students and then educate them and support them until they finish- and see to it that they finish on time, like medical students. There should also be high standards set for nursing instructors. Many of them have no prior teaching experience and no education certification. There is a noticible difference in the teaching ability of nursing instructors and teachers who teach other subjects such as biology anatomy, or ethics. Thus, nursing instructors need to be carefully screened and evaluated before being allowed to teach. Even though there is a nursing "shortage" and a shortage of nursing instructors, hiring someone "off the nursing floor" who happens to have a masters just doesn't necessarily create a good instructor. An additional problem that this creates is that the "fresh off the floor" instructor brings all their biasses and past grudges and opnions with them, and often the students are exposed to these and often negatively affected. That "eat their young mentality" is transfered to a new generation of future nurses and the pathetic cycle continues. I believe that is why many nursing students drop out, or are unjustly graded and end up being dropped from their program. The instructors "set the atmosphere" and the atmosphere today is a very bad one.
Dec 25, '05Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 74; Likes: 4Quote from LadyMadonnaI work with several doctors who can't spell to save their life and somehow they've made it!To the OP: I'm no English scholar by any stretch of the imagination but if you are a nurse (with a business degree), and especially if you are going to medical school, I would think you will have to improve upon your use of/ dramatically. As someone who has been taking college courses on and off for years, I have not had a single instructor who would have overlooked such errors. I'm not flaming you, it is going to be a very real issue should you decide to further your education.