help me buck the system, please! super-traditional pinning ceremony that nobody wants

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Hi all-

I'm posting this in the general discussion rather than the student discussion, as I want to hear from people who were successful in doing something like this.

I'm the president of my ADN class, graduating this May. We have 17 students, 14 of them women. Our faculty is, almost entirely, *extremely* conservative, and the school is in a very small town. Our pinning ceremony is held in a church, and has pretty significant christian religious overtones, which I have a problem with; I think it's an inappropriate blurring of the line between church and state (this is a state-funded community college), and I've had a few students express discomfort with having the ceremony in this church. By the way- it's only held there for faculty preference; there's plenty of room on campus.

My main concern, though, is the attire for the ceremony. We're being forced to wear white dresses and caps. Now, we have to wear the caps in most clinical rotations, which is enough of an indignity (people think we're kidding, that other staff members are playing practical jokes on them by sending students in the room with caps on...it's nauseating, but I've tried to change this with no success). But I think it's ludicrous to insist we wear them at the pinning ceremony. It's *our* event, not the faculty's. In my opinion, the requirement that women wear dresses is inappropriately sexist, and from a logistical standpoint, *nobody* should be spending money on a white dress that will gather dust forever, when we have the expense of the NCLEX looming in our immediate future.

We have one student who wants to wear a white dress, and the others are adamantly opposed to it. I'm looking for ways to approach the program director with alternatives...I think that I need to have some suggestions, or he's just going to shut it down completely. Personally, this issue is important enough to me that I won't attend the ceremony if we have to wear the dresses. I know of at least 2 other women who plan to do the same thing.

My current plan is to have a meeting with the director and my vice-president to discuss the feelings our class has about the issue, and suggest a couple of alternatives- wearing nice, 'dressy' outfits, or wearing our clinical uniform (white smock and lab coat with navy pants). I'd like to hear from anyone else who had to address this issue, and how you resolved it. I'm also open to any suggestions *anyone* has...this director is extremely old-fashioned (he said he'd have us all wearing black stockings and orthopedic shoes, if he had his way), but he also respects me *specifically* because I'm confident and outspoken. By the way, if this were not the prevailing feeling of the other class members, I'd just skip the ceremony...I'm treating it like a class issue because I feel that's my role as the class president.

Also, please don't try to convince me we should be wearing the dresses. I don't really give a hoot about someone else's traditions that encourage disrespect and sexism, so the 'traditional' nurse's uniform is something I refuse to ever put on my body. I find the caps degrading enough...I am a medical professional in training, and there's nothing more irritating than having a doctor or nurse or patient say, 'how *cute*!!' when I walk into a room. If you disagree with me, I certainly respect your opinion, but I am absolutely certain of my position on this subject.

Specializes in OB, lactation.

No way, I wouldn't do it on both fronts.

The cc in my town still wears caps and I wouldn't even chose to attend a program that still uses them just on the idea that if they do that they probably aren't a progressive school that I would like (and in this case it is VERY true). That's a personal opinion, but I just can't stand the attitude thing at colleges... I am a paying adult, if I'm behaving in a respectable manner and am giving a good name to the program, then leave me the hel! alone and don't parent me.

I also don't think that dresses should be required - I refused to do that 15 years ago when a high school course of mine tried it, outdated and ridiculous even then.

The OP didn't just say that the ceremony was in a church as a matter of locale, she also said it included "significant christian religious overtones," which is innappropriate for a state school.

It's ironic that the faculty sounds very unchanging and intolerant of differences... two of the very things that are stressed for us to BE in my program. Do they use the same clinical practices that they did back when nurses wore caps? Or is it a power trip thing? Either way I'd be bothered, I don't think any of it is good role modeling.

A balance of tradition and student preferences can obviously be reasonably attained so that everyone is happy but it sounds like the faculty isn't willing, I think that is just stubborn without reason.

There have been alot of good suggestions here.... I didn't read the last part of the thread, to the OP - how have things turned out so far?

Specializes in LDRP.
I believe you should submit to the traditional conservative request for your graduation uniform BECAUSE this is not about you.

oh really? if a graduation isn't about the students, then who is it about?

If you look like a hip and regular gal/guy and expect that you will be noted as special by the patient and health team your are mistaken.

granted, i've only been a patient in the hospital the two times i've had babies,but being a nursing student, i've seen many many nurses. And you know, i've had some very special nurses. My thinking they were special didn't have a thing to do with what they were wearing. It is the nurse's attitude, skill, caring, etc that makes a nurse special to a patient, not what they are wearing. As long as their scrubs match and are not obviously filthy/smelly, their uniform has never affected how I think of them.

We are fighting for higher salaries, more control of your time, more time with patients, more opportunities to grow. If it is more important to you to look cute,then you choose for all of us, the dumbing down that the buyers of our skills and attitudes want

I didn't realize that looking cute and all those other things were mutually exclusive. A nurse may want to look cute, but we all know thats not the most important thing. And why wouldn't one want to look nice?

Well, speaking of submission and humility, I happen to think they are very good spiritual qualities to develop. I'm reading St Thersa of Avila now and the three tenets that she emphasised in her teachings were Love, Detachment, and Humility. She was, BTW, way ahead of her time, quite an strong willed woman, having started a new order within the Catholic Church. She wrote several books which are quite profound.

But, nevertheless, I still like the idea of a cap burning ceremony. Jesus was quite a counter culture guy after all, talking to the Samaritan woman at the well (A big cultural no no in that patriarchal, ethnocentric society), bucking the pharisees, and generally setting people straight on lots of things. But, in the end he definately was humble. So, as usual I'm on the fence. And, that program director sounds like a real pr**ck who needs a little visit from the ACLU.:rolleyes:

I note that the Consultant failed to respond to the portion of the OP's note regarding the Christian overtones of the ceremony. Does her suggestion to "submit" to the "conservative message" the Program Director is trying to give include submitting to this too? I would be quite interested to hear her response on this point.

Howard

To Whom it may concern:

It is so sad that folks are so tied up with being Ploiticaly correct that they loose sight of what being a nurse really means.

You are right in some respects: we need to keep up with the improvemernts in dress, but as to the other traditions, they are for your respect of your Profession and history of Nursing in general.

I should hope that there are some potential Graduates that hold to the fact that Spiritualism has a place in Nursing. What about the patient that asks if you will pray with him or her? would you turn down a dying request?

Hospice Nursing is all about spirituality and comfort in your nursing of these patients.

I should hope that our profession has not turned it's back on the basics that make up our profession. Among these are Hope and Charity, which is the greatest?

I should hope that "Breaking the system" has not become the Most important aspect in your graduation and future practice.

Frankly, I have seen enough of the book and desk Nurses. The real aspect of nursing encompases a great deal more that that.

I should hope that you revisit your Heart, dear rachel and find a little love there. I fail to see a warm person in what you say. If you sincerely believe all that you say, I feel sadness in my heart for you.

macspuds

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To Whom it may concern:

It is so sad that folks are so tied up with being Ploiticaly correct that they loose sight of what being a nurse really means.

You are right in some respects: we need to keep up with the improvemernts in dress, but as to the other traditions, they are for your respect of your Profession and history of Nursing in general.

I should hope that there are some potential Graduates that hold to the fact that Spiritualism has a place in Nursing. What about the patient that asks if you will pray with him or her? would you turn down a dying request?

Hospice Nursing is all about spirituality and comfort in your nursing of these patients.

I should hope that our profession has not turned it's back on the basics that make up our profession. Among these are Hope and Charity, which is the greatest?

I should hope that "Breaking the system" has not become the Most important aspect in your graduation and future practice.

Frankly, I have seen enough of the book and desk Nurses. The real aspect of nursing encompases a great deal more that that.

I should hope that you revisit your Heart, dear rachel and find a little love there. I fail to see a warm person in what you say. If you sincerely believe all that you say, I feel sadness in my heart for you.

macspuds

In this country, we have the right to decide *if* spirituality is a factor in our daily lives and practice or not---and what form it takes, is also a choice. Having a ceremony with ANY religious undertones is inappropriate unless it is a private religious institution. In that case, a person would know what to expect, enrolling in such a college/university.

Since the auditorium IS available, it only makes sense that venue is used, NOT the church. And the director of this program is acting in an intolerant and overbearing way, to say the least. Illegal, to say the MOST--- possibly.

The "real aspect" of nursing encompasses what we hold dear, to many of us. And Christianity either does or does not have its place, based on individual beliefs. I know some VERY excellent nurses who are NON-Christian and non-religious. Not everyone needs to be religious to practice excellent nursing. It's not a ministry to EVERYone.

Finally, I am sorry you feel sadness. I feel pride that someone is taking a stand here. This someone is a new nurse, who also has a solid belief system and is standing up for what a majority of class believes is wrong. Good for her! Good for us!

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.
Well, speaking of submission and humility, I happen to think they are very good spiritual qualities to develop. I'm reading St Thersa of Avila now and the three tenets that she emphasised in her teachings were Love, Detachment, and Humility. She was, BTW, way ahead of her time, quite an strong willed woman, having started a new order within the Catholic Church. She wrote several books which are quite profound.

But, nevertheless, I still like the idea of a cap burning ceremony. Jesus was quite a counter culture guy after all, talking to the Samaritan woman at the well (A big cultural no no in that patriarchal, ethnocentric society), bucking the pharisees, and generally setting people straight on lots of things. But, in the end he definately was humble. So, as usual I'm on the fence. And, that program director sounds like a real pr**ck who needs a little visit from the ACLU.:rolleyes:

Submission and humilty have their place, but not here. And I would hardly call cap burning either! Mixed message is what I am getting here.

I beg to differ, I believe that humilty is always in order.:)

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I should hope that you revisit your Heart, dear rachel and find a little love there. I fail to see a warm person in what you say. If you sincerely believe all that you say, I feel sadness in my heart for you.

macspuds[/quote]

That is your perpective, but I fail to see a warm person in your flowery post. More like Tsk, tsk, so perhaps you should examine your heart.

Frankly, all sorts of professions have changed dress over the ages. it is about what is most practical. There are many ways to honor nursing. I do not believe wearing a cap is one of them.

That is your perpective, but I fail to see a warm person in your flowery post. More like Tsk, tsk, so perhaps you should examine your heart.

LOL, he he..

Yes, yes dear darling rachel, have you looked deep into the dark recesses of your rebellious heart and seen the lack of love, dear one???:chuckle (I say this only out of true agape love, my dear. Because of my extreme humilty, and nearness to our Lord, I can see the faults in others perfectly...):saint: :saint: :saint: :D

To Whom it may concern:

It is so sad that folks are so tied up with being Ploiticaly correct that they loose sight of what being a nurse really means.

You are right in some respects: we need to keep up with the improvemernts in dress, but as to the other traditions, they are for your respect of your Profession and history of Nursing in general.

I should hope that there are some potential Graduates that hold to the fact that Spiritualism has a place in Nursing. What about the patient that asks if you will pray with him or her? would you turn down a dying request?

Hospice Nursing is all about spirituality and comfort in your nursing of these patients.

I should hope that our profession has not turned it's back on the basics that make up our profession. Among these are Hope and Charity, which is the greatest?

I should hope that "Breaking the system" has not become the Most important aspect in your graduation and future practice.

Frankly, I have seen enough of the book and desk Nurses. The real aspect of nursing encompases a great deal more that that.

I should hope that you revisit your Heart, dear rachel and find a little love there. I fail to see a warm person in what you say. If you sincerely believe all that you say, I feel sadness in my heart for you.

macspuds

I agree with your post. I am leaving it at that. JMO

Hi all-

I'm the president of my ADN class, graduating this May. We have 17 students, 14 of them women. Our faculty is, almost entirely, *extremely* conservative, and the school is in a very small town. Our pinning ceremony is held in a church, and has pretty significant christian religious overtones, which I have a problem with; I think it's an inappropriate blurring of the line between church and state (this is a state-funded community college), and I've had a few students express discomfort with having the ceremony in this church. By the way- it's only held there for faculty preference; there's plenty of room on campus.

My main concern, though, is the attire for the ceremony. We're being forced to wear white dresses and caps. Now, we have to wear the caps in most clinical rotations, which is enough of an indignity (people think we're kidding, that other staff members are playing practical jokes on them by sending students in the room with caps on...it's nauseating, but I've tried to change this with no success). But I think it's ludicrous to insist we wear them at the pinning ceremony. It's *our* event, not the faculty's. In my opinion, the requirement that women wear dresses is inappropriately sexist, and from a logistical standpoint, *nobody* should be spending money on a white dress that will gather dust forever, when we have the expense of the NCLEX looming in our immediate future.

We have one student who wants to wear a white dress, and the others are adamantly opposed to it. I'm looking for ways to approach the program director with alternatives...I think that I need to have some suggestions, or he's just going to shut it down completely. Personally, this issue is important enough to me that I won't attend the ceremony if we have to wear the dresses. I know of at least 2 other women who plan to do the same thing.

My current plan is to have a meeting with the director and my vice-president to discuss the feelings our class has about the issue, and suggest a couple of alternatives- wearing nice, 'dressy' outfits, or wearing our clinical uniform (white smock and lab coat with navy pants). I'd like to hear from anyone else who had to address this issue, and how you resolved it. I'm also open to any suggestions *anyone* has...this director is extremely old-fashioned (he said he'd have us all wearing black stockings and orthopedic shoes, if he had his way), but he also respects me *specifically* because I'm confident and outspoken. By the way, if this were not the prevailing feeling of the other class members, I'd just skip the ceremony...I'm treating it like a class issue because I feel that's my role as the class president.

Congradulations on your approaching launch into the "real world."

First of all, the ceremony in the church building...getting upset about the church/state thing is so silly. It is a building. And if someone says a prayer--so what, there are prayers going on in every class room that you sit in when ever you have a test! Trust me!

Second, at the pinning ceremony, try to consider going with the flow. It is one night, a few hours out of your life. For some it is a much bigger deal. In my class I have a mate who is from Nepal, another is from Cambodia. If they wanted us to wear white dresses, hats, stockings and all of that I would go along with it--for their sake if anything, because I respect them.

Today it may not seem like a very important accomplishment, but years from now you will occassionally look at those photos and what you will see are your classmates and your won't really care that you were "made to get dressed up in whites."

The idea of something dressy sounds very nice, I like that. And for our ceremony the plans are for dressy and probably a color sceme. Or the uniform for your clinicals sounds nice too. Cooperation helps make a work day go much better. It will make this go much better as well.

Also, we are allowed to invite anyone up on stage to pin us during the ceremony--and I know that will be as special a day for my Mom or Mother-in-law, or my sister--who ever ends up doing this with me, as it will be for me. I want it to be a nice event, even if I don't agree with all of the plans that are going on.

Rita

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