Heinous or Forgivable??? - page 2
I was doing a 1:1 observation with an elderly confused woman who tends to wander. So I was in the room with her and the 19 year old unit clerk came in with a piece of paper that said " My name is... Read More
Sep 4, '02Occupation: CCU Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 572; Likes: 6I think you should walk her (the unit clerk) around the building in a head-lock a couple of times and teach her some really hands on behavior modification theory for her nursing school classes.
Sep 4, '02Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 357; Likes: 5Okay, i have to play devil's advocate here.
She stated that "everyone else does it". Now I agree with all of you that is is wrong, degrading, and ultimately unneccesary, but this young girl obviously learned this behavior from someone else and from the looks of it does not have the mental capacity to understand why she was wrong.
Still, I would probably not have been so nice with her!!
Sep 4, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 1,487; Likes: 70Originally posted by P_RN
If I saw one of my loved one's with a sign on their back like that, someone would have to hold my purse.
Sep 4, '02Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 2Please educate this young thing...this behavior should not be tolerated.It should be reported, and if "everyone is doing it" how about a staff meeting to discuss respecting your patients, and higher ethical behavior! Sr. Margaret
Sep 4, '02Occupation: Retired Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 4,288; Likes: 31Originally posted by Flo1216
I was doing a 1:1 observation with an elderly confused woman who tends to wander. So I was in the room with her and the 19 year old unit clerk came in with a piece of paper that said " My name is !#@*. If found please return me to Unit @*!$. she then stuck the paper on the lady's back with a piece of tape.
I would have hit her so hard she'd get arrested in Toledo for speeding!
Sep 4, '02Occupation: OR Charge Nurse/Circulator Specialty: Surgery ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 65"...if it were my mother..."
I agree, Sr. Margaret.
Sep 4, '02Occupation: returned nurse Joined: Nov '98; Posts: 7,097; Likes: 5,234Shocking, I thought I saw or heard everything. This is elderly abuse plane and simple. Someone needs to be re-educated. If they don't change their behavior they need to be fired. To think I used to get upset because some of the staff was not as polite and patient and understanding as I thought they should be.
Sep 4, '02Specialty: 8 year(s) of experience ; Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 1,499; Likes: 287Heinous!
What does she mean by, "everyone else is doing it?"
Sep 4, '02Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 3Personally, I don't think that you are overreacting at all. I just recently started nursing school myself and I have realized that it really takes caring people to do this profession. It is almost like you can tell who will make a good nurse and who will not. This person seems to be quite the oppisite and may need to rethink her future professional plans.
Sep 4, '02Occupation: LPN charge nurse Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 166If I were to hit someone w/ one of my purses..she would have been knocked unconscious .. If it were my Mom....the staff would all have their heads on a platter, but as a nurse , I probably... would have taken the paper off the lady's back and crumpled it up into a ball and tossed it onto the floor. I would have then said " what part of 1: 1 monitoring do you not see here?" Then later when I cooled down, I would have reported this attitude to my supervisor. I have always worked w/ the elderly and it is amazing how some forget Alzheimers is a disease and their behavior is not their fault. I think a meeting w/ staff about their approach to some residents is warranted. I think she is doing what she has seen or been told to do ...and needs to be corrected prompty. As with any other nurse who thinks that is an appropriate form of monitoring. Again... I am tossing in my 2 cents for today! Laura LPNLast edit by Momma_Penguin on Sep 4, '02
Sep 5, '02Occupation: staff RN Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 10:angryfire
I agree that is cruel and not only does she need so action taken against her, but 'if everyone else does it' then the floor needs reeducated.
Some people are just raised without a sense of right and wrong, but as others have stated maby health care is not a career for them.
Letting her get away with it is will be in a way telling her it is ok, go with your gut and turn her in.
Sep 5, '02Occupation: Fast Track/ED LVN in SoCal Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 10; Likes: 12I've worked in a lot of places doing a lot of things, and I've heard such things mentioned. It is a Cause for Termination to do something like that twice in the most recent LTC and dementia wards I've been around.
I work in an ER. If you send her my way and I know the story, I might be tempted to put a sign on her saying, "Holding for Brain Transfusion". Then again, I wouldn't. It is degrading, humiliating, insulting, inconsiderate, abusive, nasty, cruel and vicious to put signs on people.
I hope nursing school teaches a little human comprehension to the 19 year old. On the other hand, if there is no compassion at 19, is there hope for it to develop?
This is why we have to keep on studying, learning and most of all thinking about what we do and how we do it.
I shuddup now. <grin>
Sep 5, '02Joined: Dec '01; Posts: 2,865; Likes: 15that little idiot
signs are not used on people plain and simple.
if she tried to do that when I was taking care of a patient a.she wouldnt get anywhere with her little "sign" and b. she would get a huge huge "talking to" about respect,courtesy and common decency and compassion
this situation needs to be handled directly and quickly so that it never happens again. If you dont feel comfortable being the one to set her on the right track then I would most definitely go to your superior and explain what happened.
It concerns me that she said everyone else was doing it. If you see this type of behaviour on your unit it is your responsibility to not let it happen.
We are there to serve our patients in a professional and caring manner. We are not there to sit and watch them belittled and dehumanized by some sign happy idiots!
so yeah its heinous
in a big big way
I have a sign for our little sign maker
"hi I'm an uncaring idiot who lacks compassion and common sense, if found please do not return me to
_____ (nursing unit."
this post has really angered me incase its not blatantly obvious
19 or not,everyone else is doing it or not, she needs to be dealt with!