Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb - page 6

Our health care system hurts everyone. Premiums are expensive and increasing every year. Doing nothing today will cost taxpayers 2-3 times more in the next few years. Currently, the "public... Read More

  1. by   ACU_RN
    We are all assuming that health care is a right guaranteed to us, which it is not. I would ask that you please read the Constitution of the United States and see what the role of the federal government is supposed to be. Then look at the size of the current federal government and the power it wields.
  2. by   classicdame
    here is my one experience with socialized medicine: While traveling in Sweden I got ill. I could treat the symptoms myself except there is virtually NO medication at the pharmacy w/out RX. That is why I always have to bring Tylenol, antiacids, allergy med from Walmart when I visit family in Sweden. SO I had to see MD. They did not want to see me because I "probably had a virus". Finally, found one. Paid $250 in advance for "probable" blood work and visit. MD did not check my temp or BP, even after being told I felt feverish and had h/of HTN. Looked at me fully clothed from across the room and said I had a virus. No bloodwork, nasal swab and No meds. Was sick for a week with N/v, diarrhea, vertigo, awful headaches, chills and fever. The nausea was horrible. Finally my daughter arrived from states with meds! Meanwhile, granddaughter got hurt on trampoline. Called ER. Don't come they said. "Probably a sprain". We insisted the foot was turned wrong and at the least she needed something for pain. Finally convinced them. They took x-rays and taped it then called next day for more xrays. Growth plate may be damaged. She got crutches. No pain meds(age 8) even though she was screaming the firstnight. Thank God we had Walmart Tylenol on hand!!!
  3. by   ACU_RN
    Quote from classicdame
    here is my one experience with socialized medicine: While traveling in Sweden I got ill. I could treat the symptoms myself except there is virtually NO medication at the pharmacy w/out RX. That is why I always have to bring Tylenol, antiacids, allergy med from Walmart when I visit family in Sweden. SO I had to see MD. They did not want to see me because I "probably had a virus". Finally, found one. Paid $250 in advance for "probable" blood work and visit. MD did not check my temp or BP, even after being told I felt feverish and had h/of HTN. Looked at me fully clothed from across the room and said I had a virus. No bloodwork, nasal swab and No meds. Was sick for a week with N/v, diarrhea, vertigo, awful headaches, chills and fever. The nausea was horrible. Finally my daughter arrived from states with meds! Meanwhile, granddaughter got hurt on trampoline. Called ER. Don't come they said. "Probably a sprain". We insisted the foot was turned wrong and at the least she needed something for pain. Finally convinced them. They took x-rays and taped it then called next day for more xrays. Growth plate may be damaged. She got crutches. No pain meds(age 8) even though she was screaming the firstnight. Thank God we had Walmart Tylenol on hand!!!
    I'll throw in my ; went to Chile two years ago to visit family in Concepcion, Santiago and down south. (My father in law was born in Chile, all of his family are still there) His mother suffers from htn, dmII, osteoporosis, and recently fell and fx her hip. Instead of using the government run hospitals, my father in law and his siblings payed out of pocket to have her surgery and care done a private hospital. Why may you ask? Because the government run hospitals are a disaster.
    Folks, the government can barely manage itself, let alone health care. Look at the IRS, medicare/medicaid, THE POSTAL SERVICE!!!!!! Government is never the answer to our problems, more than likely government is the problem.
  4. by   misswoosie
    Quote from ACU_RN
    I'll throw in my ; went to Chile two years ago to visit family in Concepcion, Santiago and down south. (My father in law was born in Chile, all of his family are still there) His mother suffers from htn, dmII, osteoporosis, and recently fell and fx her hip. Instead of using the government run hospitals, my father in law and his siblings payed out of pocket to have her surgery and care done a private hospital. Why may you ask? Because the government run hospitals are a disaster.
    Folks, the government can barely manage itself, let alone health care. Look at the IRS, medicare/medicaid, THE POSTAL SERVICE!!!!!! Government is never the answer to our problems, more than likely government is the problem.
    You think your postal service is bad-ours is much worse and costs 3 times as much!

    I was a patient at the hospital where I worked 4 years ago. I had been going to GP 2-3 times a year for 3-4 years with bloating/cyclical back ache and altered bowel habit. Irritable bowel she said. Gradually getting worse, despite meds.
    Thursday at work I developed sudden onset of sharp RIF pain-manageable.
    Friday worse- appt to see GP-UTI (but urinalysis neg)-Rx antibiotics-sceptical
    7 am Sat-ER- pain score 8 1 hour wait for analgaesia.
    2 hour wait to see Doc. Poor history taken.Vomiting, but all obs ,blood results normal.
    Junior Gynae Dr -you have a pelvic infection-started ABx.

    Admit gynae-2 more IV morphine and oromorph overnight-pain duller across whole abdo.
    Not reviewed by senior medic-sUNDAY nursing staff told me"we are a nurse led unit-you can go home"- Is said, but you haven't even done my obs since i came to the ward yesterday lunchtime.
    asked to speak to middle grade Dr-she spared 10 mins.I asked for Abdo US. Come back on Tuesday for scan.
    Tired, dull abdo pain,PV bleeding (not menstrual)
    Scan showed 10cm mass behind uterus.
    Admitted-seen by consultant-guarding and rebound pain.
    Hb when they eventually checked bloods the next day had fallen from 14 to 8.5, WCC was 23 and CRP was 80.
    WED evening to theater-3 hour op for ruptured ovarian cyst and necrotic ovary and wash out of peritonium.
    Good job I asked for that scan,but what about soemone who didn't know to ask.And that was the care I got in the hospital where I worked as a Clinical Nurse Specialist.(I have not even begun to talk about the shocking lack of care in my first 12hrs post op)

    Cyst was dermoid and contained hair and teeth, so had presumably been inc in size over the previous few years.

    Now, I want to ask if in the US would you be able to sue for that ?
  5. by   misswoosie
    Quote from classicdame
    here is my one experience with socialized medicine: While traveling in Sweden I got ill. I could treat the symptoms myself except there is virtually NO medication at the pharmacy w/out RX. That is why I always have to bring Tylenol, antiacids, allergy med from Walmart when I visit family in Sweden. SO I had to see MD. They did not want to see me because I "probably had a virus". Finally, found one. Paid $250 in advance for "probable" blood work and visit. MD did not check my temp or BP, even after being told I felt feverish and had h/of HTN. Looked at me fully clothed from across the room and said I had a virus. No bloodwork, nasal swab and No meds. Was sick for a week with N/v, diarrhea, vertigo, awful headaches, chills and fever. The nausea was horrible. Finally my daughter arrived from states with meds! Meanwhile, granddaughter got hurt on trampoline. Called ER. Don't come they said. "Probably a sprain". We insisted the foot was turned wrong and at the least she needed something for pain. Finally convinced them. They took x-rays and taped it then called next day for more xrays. Growth plate may be damaged. She got crutches. No pain meds(age 8) even though she was screaming the firstnight. Thank God we had Walmart Tylenol on hand!!!
    And I think Sweden has one of the best UHS of all!
  6. by   lamazeteacher
    Quote from ACU_RN
    Change in health care is needed, but not by mortgaging the future of our children. Those who support "universal health care" are not looking ahead to the cost of this endeavor.
    Why is the government tackling this problem to begin with? Our government has its sticky fingers in nearly every aspect of our lives. I don't want higher taxes which will happen with universal health care, regardless of what the messiah says. I don't want the government anywhere close to health care. I want the government to do what its founders gave it permission to do, not a whole lot of anything.
    I enboldened words that I'd like to address in this reply. Your concern about the children's money is well intentioned, but not applicable to health care costs. When health insurance is tied to one's employment, that affects your salary (employers tack their costs for your premiums for health insurance to your salary, when setting that). So the amount your "insurance" will cost is already taken from you, and will come from the additional 5% taxed those who earn more than $250,000/year. In the "universal" plan, the enormous profits made by the health insurance companies whose many CEOs make obscene amounts, aren't added. The reason the employer hospitals, etc. like things this way, is because they can deduct your insurance premiums as a "business costs", from their profit. They also deduct bonuses for their administrators in the same way. You don't get to deduct anything! (Unless your medical costs exceed 7.5% of your income.) Most younger employees haven't high costs like that.

    President Obama is "tackling this problem" because his mother became a victim of the current system before she died, and he realized that overblown profits of doctors, hospitals (even when they say they're non profit) and pharmaceutical and DME products are not in accord with what the founders of our country intended for its citizens and residents. He worked in South Chicago and observed the health needs of its people that went unheeded. We are paying much more for the health care of those who can't get early preventive care, and wind up being hospitalized and needing procedures that might have been avoided.

    Think patients with DM who lose their lower extremities, due to avoidable infections turned gangrenous, procedures now done that aren't really necessary (I was scheduled for a knee replacement by a retiring orthopedic surgeon, when a knee band has stopped my knee pain for 10 years). The number of CABGs was ridiculous when surgeons competed to see how many vessels they could bypass, in little time, until the government agency stepped in and stopped that.

    I certainly don't regard him as "the messiah", because he is working as hard as anyone else in his government, to make things happen that will benefit all of us. He wrote his own books while in school and shortly afterward, without any suggestion of having us regard him as anyone but a human being with goals other than lining his own bank account and pockets. I see him as trying to live with his family in the midst of a maelstrom of media, oppositional factions, and disbelievers.

    Government has been and will continue to be close to your health care, (especially as we age). It required that you have immunizations before attending school. It demanded fair housing and employment practises, unemployment insurance, and retirement programs to keep you sheltered, fed and clothed when your own resources ran out. Past leaders of our country allowed inroads by fraudulent companies and health practitioners to rob the money set aside for older people's healthcare. Now the armed forces have soldiers whose job it is to make sure that contractors don't receive government contracts to repay favors (I met one young woman who gets competitive bids for those now, at the July 4 picnic to which I went).

    President Kennedy said, "Think not of what your country can do for you.....". President Obama is thinking of what your country hears and sees that you need and deserve, to be healthy because you're part of it! Just because all of the things that are wrong with it haven't been corrected in his forst 6 months in office, is not a reason to think it won't happen. Patience is a virtue. Trust goes both ways.
    Last edit by lamazeteacher on Jul 5, '09
  7. by   ACU_RN
    Also, Kennedy and Obama are worlds apart. Kennedy would be a Republican in today's political climate.
  8. by   dlatimer
    I think a public plan would be a way to keep the for-profit and not-for-profit hospitals/corporations/insurers honest. I also think it is only one part of the problem with healthcare, especially hospitalizations. Hospitals used to be structured to supply care. Now, it seems, it is for profit and that has led to other health problems. This article by Paul Oneil is spot on.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/op...html?th&emc=th

    my 1.3 cents worth
  9. by   Ron Houston
    Quote from K98
    You may be right, but we have some seriously disillusioned Obama supporters in our family. Didn't get the hope and change they wanted. Even a recent college grad knows that one can't spend one's way out of a fiscal crisis. How much was that national health care going to cost???
    I have the hope that President Obama will take positive steps to reform health care. As for how much it will cost to reform health care. It will cost less in national treasure than this war in Iraq cost that the previous administration put this country in.
  10. by   Ron Houston
    Quote from ACU_RN
    We are all assuming that health care is a right guaranteed to us, which it is not. I would ask that you please read the Constitution of the United States and see what the role of the federal government is supposed to be. Then look at the size of the current federal government and the power it wields.
    You are right it does not guarantee us any such right in the constitution. But then it also does not give anyone the right of and education but the vast majority of us believe that every child is entitled to an education which we support with our taxes as we should. Not too long ago in our countries history women and african americans were not allowed to vote. We as a country corrected that wrong just as I pray we as a nation will correct the wrong of our health care system.
  11. by   Ron Houston
    Quote from ACU_RN
    Also, Kennedy and Obama are worlds apart. Kennedy would be a Republican in today's political climate.
    Kennedy and Obama are worlds apart? I think not. John Kennedy in his 1000 days in office increased the minimum wage, created the Peace Corps, obtained better Social Security benefits, passed an urban renewal package, fought for civil rights and used diplomacy before war.
    John Kennedy knew the importance of dialogue with our adversaries. Sure looks like the same things we Democrats including President Obama still support.
  12. by   D.R.A.
    I am not even the tiniest bit confident that government can provide fair and balanced healthcare if it's mandated........on the other hand I am neither a pessimist or an optimist.....I am a realist. Always willing to listen and consider any plan they put out there before making a decision.
  13. by   elkpark
    Quote from jmgrn65
    Our system isn't perfect far from it. But at least anyone can get access to healthcare. Emergency rooms can't turn away people.
    I hear people say this all the time, and it simply isn't true. Hospital EDs are required, by federal law, to stabilize emergency conditions. That's it. They are not required to treat anything that isn't an emergency. Until recently, most hospital EDs have treated everyone just to protect against making a "wrong call" and ending up in court later, but more and more hospitals are starting to balk at this and turn people away, refer them to urgent care clinics, etc. for non-emergencies.

    And they are certainly not required to treat even emergencies for free. Hospitals routinely turn bills over to collection agencies and take people to court to get paid, if there is any money or assets to be taken. This is how even middle-class families who (mistakenly) thought they had good insurance (just because they'd paid all those premiums all those years, HAHA) wind up in bankruptcy court over catastrophic medical bills every day in this country.

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