Good or Evil?

[Monist]

I know, without getting too deep, that the only purpose a human being serves is to build the Kingdom of God in the physical world. Nursing provides a fantastic opportunity to do just that and still be able to make a living. But not everyone in nursing is building the Kingdom of God--some are just down right evil.

I knew a nurse once who I observed giving a 17-year old girl all the pain medication she wanted while at the same time refusing to give a homeless man adequate pain medication. The only motivation seemed to be that /p giving the pain meds the patient would have to be kept in the unit longer. Obviously the girl could stay, but the nurse didn't want the homeless man around. The nurse wanted him out and to the floor as soon as possible. Would you call this evil?

I'm being deliberatly vague to erase any possibility of linking this post to the actual persons involved.

The Monist

[moia]

Why would any nurse bother?

The question is ridiculous because the premise is dumb.

If you had an annoying patient you didn't like wouldn't any sensible nurse make sure this patient got ALL the available comfort drugs?.

See a NORMAL nurse wants to have a NICE comfortable shift...cause they are NORMAL...they don't want a homeless guy howling in pain throughout their shift demanding constant attention....

LOGIC would demand that the nurse would be giving the homeless guy his drugs FIRST.

I don't believe in God..at all... good and evil is all about people..... not some all knowing all powerful evil or good pulling the strings of human meat puppets.

It 's called free will...I believe even the bible mentions it

People will almost always do what is to their benefit...the bizarre premise that some possessed by evil meat puppet is staggering aound the ER deliberately making her life a living hell by refusing to give the homeless guy his pain meds so she can get caught by the doctor , her coworkers and management for not only missing meds but missing meds out of maliciousness...so she can get reported to her college and lose her license and her job.......

Yeah...is there any nurse alive that has the ENERGY to do this?, nevermind the evil demon possession.

[4greatkids]

Your theories are very intriguing, except for one small detail: I'm not an RN yet; I was a student. So, discount me, but I saw what I saw. If it makes you more comfortable, we can just drop this whole string and move on to some new business.

The Monist

You may not be an RN, but you're obviously coming in contact with patients. If you knew for a FACT and without a SHADOW OF A DOUBT that this occurred, it was your responsibility as a HUMAN to tell your superior, in confidence, what occurred. You don't think that was the first patient that suffered at the hands of that person, do you? As nurses, we are expected to act in autonomy, morally, and in good faith and judgment. We are our patients advocates. For you to witness that and not inform someone that could act on it...not tell anyone else of gossip about it...you are just as guilty because you are allowing it to continue. Did you ever think that you were put there at that particular time for a reason? Consider it.

[jemb]

Merriam Webster defines a monist as one who 'holds a viewpoint or theory that reduces all phenomena to one principle'. Is that compatable with being a nurse? Just wondering....

[Monist]

Why would any nurse bother?

The question is ridiculous because the premise is dumb.

If you had an annoying patient you didn't like wouldn't any sensible nurse make sure this patient got ALL the available comfort drugs?.

See a NORMAL nurse wants to have a NICE comfortable shift...cause they are NORMAL...they don't want a homeless guy howling in pain throughout their shift demanding constant attention....

LOGIC would demand that the nurse would be giving the homeless guy his drugs FIRST.

I don't believe in God..at all... good and evil is all about people..... not some all knowing all powerful evil or good pulling the strings of human meat puppets.

It 's called free will...I believe even the bible mentions it

People will almost always do what is to their benefit...the bizarre premise that some possessed by evil meat puppet is staggering aound the ER deliberately making her life a living hell by refusing to give the homeless guy his pain meds so she can get caught by the doctor , her coworkers and management for not only missing meds but missing meds out of maliciousness...so she can get reported to her college and lose her license and her job.......

Yeah...is there any nurse alive that has the ENERGY to do this?, nevermind the evil demon possession.

You don't believe in God? And we are not then meat puppets? Interesting dichotomy. I think you don't believe in God because you don't see the forest for the trees. Be that as it may, I agree with your MO regarding pain meds and homeless screamers. I wish I could give more info, but if I did, and that nurse were in this forum, he/she would immediately know who I was and that I was talking about them. So, I guess this conversation is over. But the title is Good and Evil, so we could go around on that for a while.

Don't you think you've ever seen or read about or saw on the news some example of "evil?"

The Monist

[caroladybelle, BSN, RN]

I find it interesting that no one has a response to the question: is it evil to withold pain medication from a patient you don't "like." Perhaps good and evil is too deep to talk about, or perhaps it just has no place in modern nursing. Nevertheless, I'm wondering if anyone out there has noticed that the spiritual warfare between good and evil becomes blatantly apparent on the floor and in the units. It seems there's always an opportunity to be an angel or a demon.

The Monist

And when will you answer our questions?

And, no, there is warfare on the floor, but it is not spiritual. It is between right and wrong, which is different from good and evil and hardly spiritual. It is ethical in nature.

(Why do I feed trolls?....I must pray on this.)

[leslie :-D]

monist- why won't you answer the same questions that were asked of you- did you report this? very simple question asked by 2 (now 3) different people but you are avoiding a response. did you report this?

[Monist]

Merriam Webster defines a monist as one who 'holds a viewpoint or theory that reduces all phenomena to one principle'. Is that compatable with being a nurse? Just wondering....

Actually, that's a broad definition of the word, but it's close. Technically, I'm an acosmic monist. I believe that only God exists and everything else is an illusion created by God, and so doesn't exist or isn't real the way God is real. As for being compatible with nursing, I would say that it is. I see my patients as myself. I see my coworkers as myself. Naturally, I'm somewhat fanatical about the Gospels. I couldn't care less about the other books of the Bible, but Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and even Thomas really get to me.

Thanks for letting me ramble.

The Monist

[leslie :-D]

did you report this? did you report this? did you report this?

[Monist]

monist- why won't you answer the same questions that were asked of you- did you report this? very simple question asked by 2 (now 3) different people but you are avoiding a response. did you report this?

No. But I learned a lot. I'll never do the same thing when I'm an RN.

The Monist

[jemb]

I see my coworkers as myself.

The Monist

Aha! So it was you! :rotfl:

[Monist]

Aha! So it was you! :rotfl:

Good point!

The Monist

[4greatkids]

Aha! So it was you! :rotfl:

You know what, Jemb, Monist says she's not a nurse YET. However, she trys to portray herself as a nurse in her postings, right? I think she IS a nurse that got herself in hot water by mentioning something she should have never mentioned. A REAL and DEDICATED nurse would have reported it IMMEDIATELY! Because not only is it wrong, it's cruel and twisted...just like the Monist portrays herself as being...cruel and twisted. I honestly think it was her, too. I'm still waiting for her to respond to "What do you do about it?"