Female nurses earn less than male nurses - page 8

pay: the gender gap a woman's work is never done. though you might not know it to look at her paycheck. according to u.s. census bureau statistics, women make on average 25 percent less than... Read More

  1. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    As the articles show, males make more than females, whether they are nurses or not. This is fact, not opinion.

    I find it appalling that this is still the case in 2004. Especially since women are the MAJORITY in The U.S.!

    Also, one of the articles states that a white male with only a highschool education will make thousands more per year than a black female with a bachelor's degree.How !@#$%^^&& unfair is that?
  2. by   Mexarican
    "In 1996, the median weekly earnings for all men was $557, compared to $418 for all women, $362 for African American women, and $316 for Hispanic Women"

    Hmmm...i find it interesting that the study put ALL men in the same catergory. Serious researching flaw! Remember men who are minorities also suffer some disparities in pay. I can't believe that african american men and latino men make as much as white men in the same field. Or get promotions handed to them...if thats true then where's mine! Where i work all the supervisors are women. And i don't work in the nursing field, yet ;-)
  3. by   madamewalker
    Yes, men of color do seem to be left out of the comparison, don't they? Me, to the rescue.

    "Men of color also experience wage discrimination, with African-American men earning 75 and Latinos earning only 64 for every dollar paid to their white male counterparts."

    --U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (Current Population Survey)

    Now, someone explain the socio-econo-physio-psycho-neuro LOGICAL basis for that?

    (And by the way, I am, of course being facetious by asking someone to dare explain; LOGICAL being the key word here.)
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    rofl, mike.
  5. by   teeituptom
    Quote from nursemike?
    There is a really cute doctor where I work, though. She's married, but in her bio it said he was a rock-climber, so that's almost single, right? I wonder if he has insurance...

    Now that is cold
  6. by   teeituptom
    I cant see being a stay at home dad myself

    being a worker gives the excuse

    that I need golf time to relax
  7. by   Energizer Bunny
    Hey Tom...if you were a SAHD, you'd still need golf to relax because you'd still be a WORKER!
  8. by   teeituptom
    but then I wouldnt be able to afford it

    and I wouldnt be appreciated

    Yes I love all 7 of my kids

    even better though now that most of them are out of state

    outta sight outta mind

    still have a 16 yo daughter at home

    turned 16 today

    she is explaining to me why I should give her a BMW
  9. by   Energizer Bunny
    LOL @ the BMW!!! Is she having a party I hope? Happy Birthday to her!!

    (and you are very right about the not being appreciated...though a little birdie told me that dh was singing my praises the other day...just wish he would do it to me once in a while!)
  10. by   teeituptom
    She had a nice Party

    all these young teen age girls

    all these young teen age boys

    me and my shotgun made our presence known

    they cant fool me
  11. by   jtfreel
    First, let me put on my flak jacket.

    Having been in nursing management and administration for longer than most of you have been born (yup, I earned these gray hairs!), let me share some objective observations if I may:

    1. When interviewing candidates of both genders, males were more willing to negotiate salary. Yes there is a starting range for positions, but there is also wiggle room within those ranges. For example, for one position the starting salary range (depending upon experience and education) was $25-29.50/per hour. Two candidates applied and each had the same educational credentials and similar experiences. One asked about the salary and entered into a negotiated range of $28.50 per hour and the other never asked but demanded a starting salary of at least $26.00 per hour. I hired the one for $26.00 per hour because it saved me money for the same quality of employee to fulfill a vacancy.

    2. I never had a male request an extended leave of absence for biological reasons. Whatever your feelings, time away from work equates to a lower level of seniority and that impacts longevity salary ranges.

    3. When positions became available, it was often difficult to get some excellent, well-qualified female applicants to apply. Males were commonly more willingly to take risk.

    4. This same trend was noticed in the high risk specialties of nursing: the percent of male applicants were higher than in many of the lower risk specialties. Again, a higher risk equates to more money.

    5. Men tended to understand that the organization was a business and they had a better command of the business world than a lot of women.

    Women are fast studies and are rapidly catching up but the tendency to blame others for our choice patterns will only serve to undermine accomplishments. We do not need anyone to protect us if we are truly informed and professional.

    Numerically, we are not a minority though as a profession we chose not to organize. We are not a victim though it is easier to act victimized instead of accepting personal responsibility and being part of a process for change.

    We have a responsibility to analyze reports such as those cited from an informed view point and realize that everyone has an agenda.
  12. by   geekgolightly

    thank you for posting from your perspective. i assumed much of what you posted, but hadn't yet had confirmation.

    I am a very commited feminist. I've read primary work, from all waves of feminism, from Simone and other first wavers, to Butler who IMO, is the best of the third wavers, and take very seriously my responsibilities as a feminist and the most important of those responsibilities is to recognize and change when we act differently from males and yet expect the same results.

    The issue of birth is a touchy one. Not all females give birth. To withhold earnings because of gender is biased. I do understand why raises based solely on dedication would be witheld if one takes three months of the year out on a regular basis, but I do not understand offering lower pay or refusing to negotiate based on the baby factor. Especially in the nursing business. It seems like one would be shooting one's self in the foot, if this were to come out.
  13. by   RoaminHankRN
    I did not read every single post but another classic example of what is wrong with our profession. Do we not have better things to do like improving patient satisfaction, improving our knowlegdge, than to talk about the male vs female and I make this how much do you make or it's just not fair. Life is not fair. You make the most of it but must keep an ultimate goal in mind to get through the hard times. For nursing it is our patients. I wonder if patients read these message boards. I am quite embarrassed by some.

    If you are unhappy with your salary, try two things. Go back to school for a higher paying job. Or at your next eval or job interview, do not take peanuts if offered to you. Negotiate! Hospitals have money.