Adn = ?

lisamcrn · Jun 9, 2002

Associate Degree Nursing which is what you get for a two year degree = RN.

adrienurse, LPN · Jun 9, 2002

Okay. Thanks. We call those diploma nurses in Canada. I myself am a degree nurse (= 4 years university to earn BN designation.)

What's up with all these different classes of nurses anyway. Are they really helping the cause? I'm just all for learning as much as I can to be the best nurse I can be. Just earned my CNA certification in Gerontologic Nursing = GNC©.

-Ad.

NurseDennie, BSN, RN · Jun 9, 2002

In America, diploma nurses are ones that have graduated from a whole different program. Associates degree is a college degree, where the diploma is not. I don't understand it either.

Love

Dennie

live4today, RN · Jun 9, 2002

First we had volunteer nurses with no degrees - just with a heart to help the sick and dying. Second, we had diploma nurses that were hospital trained nurses - eventually doing curriculum and bedside care. Third, came the Associate Degree Nurses who have a combination of college courses and clinicals. Then, fourth, we had the upsurge of making a four year program for nurses that the AJN wanted to become the elite group, where they hoped to do away with the diploma and associate grads, making the BSN the basic entry level into nursing today.

My opinion only now is this: With changing times and more and more women wanting recognition in their own chosen career fields, the desire to always "one up one program over another" was to signify one being better than the other, therefore more deserving of higher recognition and pay.

The reason the three programs still exist? There's obviously a need for the three programs due to affordability among those desiring a career as a nurse. The vast age ranges of students entering the nursing profession dictate a need for all three levels -STILL. The AJN BSN promoters would like to do away with anything shy of a four year program for nurses, but the supply and demand have yet to allow this transition to take place.

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Jun 9, 2002

It's kind of ridiculous to say an ADN degree is a two year program. An AA or AS is 64 semester hours, a Bachelor's is generally 120. My ADN required 88 hours, not including any remediation classes. In most places, it is three years.

adrienurse, LPN · Jun 12, 2002

This is exactly my point. As long as there are different streams competing for one job title, there will be infighting withing the profession. There is debate as to whether nursing can actually call itself a profession if there is no strict consistance in the training that is involved. I have spoken to members of all these so called "classes" of nurses -- and each is conviced that their method of training was the best and everyone else is is inferior in the quality of his or her nursing ablilities.

Here in Canada there was an initiative to make it so there would be no other nurses graduating after the year 2000 then the ones from the 4 year University programs. Millions of dollars were spent phasing out existing diploma and community college nursing programs (some that were more than a hundred years old!). Somehow somebody clued in that there was going to be a nursing shortage, and the powers-that-be did a 180 degree turn. Today there is more infighting than ever before.

Cooker93 · Jun 12, 2002

I'm in the LPN to RN Bridge class now. I have 58 credits as of now and am getting 7 more for the summer. Then there is 15 for fall and 12 or so for the spring until I graduate. Our program is 69 credits, but there are all these prerequisite classes before you can even take the required ones such as A & P or Micro, you have to take a Biology that doesn't even count toward the degree. It has taken me 2 1/2 years already and I have 1 to go. And to think, I thought I only had to do one more year with my experience and credits I had before I started 2 years ago. Dumb.......Huh?

live4today, RN · Jun 12, 2002

How one carries her/himself is what constitutes one as a professional in their own right. Mary Kay Consultants call themselves professionals, and I've witnessed their professionalism in action...and they don't need a one or two or three or four year degree to earn the title either. A car dealer is a professional at what he/she does. When I sold real estate, my title was Professional Real Estate Agent and I didn't need a degree to be one. Ballplayers and other atheletes are "professionals" at what they do, and they earn a damn good living at doing it, too. I've met "professional" dancers, singers, actors, actresses, instrumental players, and the like. Soooooooooo, my belief is that A DEGREE does not make one a professional, only the person can make him/herself the "professional" at what they do. A degree only signifies your level of learning as compared to someone elses level of learning. Our reward for that level of learning is the degree we each chose to pursue to become the "professionals" that we are today...be it bachelors, associates, diploma, or certificate...in ANY given career field. We have certified engineer technicians and mechanical technicians and certified public accountants and... Catch where I'm going with this? :)