A CNA snatched meds from me. - page 2
I am a brand new nurse and working at LTC setting and have had problem with a CNA who has a certain relationship with DON. She has showed lack of respect on the day I started working here. For... Read More
Dec 12, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Sep '00; Posts: 735; Likes: 3When I started my recent job in LTC, a very similar experience happened to me. The CNA had been there around 16 years, and I was hopping mad at the way she talked to me, a resident and she sat at another resident's bed while she "yelled" at me about the other resident and told this resident about the other resident. I went home and documented EVERYTHING, saved a copy, dated it and sent it to myself in the mail to prove postmark, had another RN sign and date it and handed a copy to the DON and ADON and told them that I was very unhappy to have to do this. I sent the copy to myself in case I was fired or let go and they wanted to put something on me. I was not fired, stayed there a year and now I left for a position in Hospice, where so far I am very happy. CYA, just in case, but write her up.
Dec 12, '02Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 250; Likes: 36[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yonsei94RN
[B]I am a brand new nurse and working at LTC setting and have had problem with a CNA who has a certain relationship with DON.
She has been working there quite a while like, I guess, 10 years or so. she thinks she know everything about the residents. today, when I gave meds with pudding on it to a residents, she refused to take the last bite. the CNA who stood there snatched the last spoon from me and gave it to her when I didnt ask for it.
What does her relationship with the DON have to do with anything? Am I to understand that she gave the resident the last of the med? This is grounds for dismissal.
She probably does know everything about particular residents. But working out of her job role is another issue
You were right to come to this BB and get adivse.
Write this up quick, take your stand, let us know what happens.
hang in, there are some really great CNA's to work with in the profession.
Dec 12, '02Occupation: CNA Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 485; Likes: 15Everytime something like this happens to me, I refuse to put up with it. I may be scared to death, but I stand my ground, hold my head up and look them in the eye. It works. No one messes with me more than once.
Dec 12, '02Occupation: RN, ER Case management, precertification. Specialty: ICU-Stepdown ; Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 862; Likes: 53This is atrocious behavior, and certainly something I would never put up with. I did not when working in the field, and will not once I attain my RN. My future (not to mention that of my patients) is far too important to allow for this.
You worked far too hard to get through school and life, just to put up with that kind of behavior.
Too many jobs out there to put up with one that lets this continue.
Dec 13, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Nov '99; Posts: 2,950; Likes: 619I had a CNA (a long time ago) go get a foley. Open the package and hand me the now contaminated cath and tell me to put it in. I did not even have an order.
This CNA was the darling of administration. Very charming, (tdranslations full of BS)
I had filed a formal written complaint of sexual harrassment against this CNA earlier. I delivered it to my DON. Not only did she refuse to discuss it with me she did nothing about it.
This CNA was supposedly a licensed nurse in another state and another time. Yea, right.
Good news is finally this sweety has left in a huff. We have a new DON who is not as impressed with this twirp.
I know this doesn't help your situation but to let you know you are not alone.
This was ACUTE care and this CNA was allowed to run the place. Adminsitration would go to this CNA with issues that should be addressed with a licensed nurse.
This CNA was instructed to TEACH some nurses how to do steril dressings etc.!! Administration asked This CNA about nuring decisions that were made on crtically unstable patients. Instead of addressing it with the nurse that made the decision.
Dec 13, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159OMG Agnus...talk about dysfunctional facilities.
Dec 13, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 2,662; Likes: 46<I am a brand new nurse and working at LTC setting and have had problem with a CNA >
Youre the new kid on the block - if you dont stand your ground now its going to get worse. Running away at the first hint of work-relations problems doesnt solve anything or help you grow as an RN. And jumping to writing her up without fair warning or discussion/educating her to your expectations first is only going to increase the tensions and make work that much harder. I'd suggest taking her aside this one time - privately - for a civil, matter-of-fact discussion about it. Tell her what she did wrong & how it made you feel to be yelled at by her in front of everyone. Inform her of how her actions with the medication was wrong. Let her know what your position is, what her role is, and what you expect. Not in a threatening, superior manner - just a calm, private, clear-the-air type of thing.
And remember respect is a two way street.
Give back what you expect to be given to you. If shes been there a long time, she DOES know the residents better - recognize and utilize her expertise. Let her know that you realize she has a special relationship with each of them and you will be counting on her to help you get to know them as well too. As you go along in your workday, ask for her input on things within her scope, ask for her suggestions, ideas, and assistance with the residents, compliment a job well done, thank her at the end of the shift, recognize it when she does a little something extra --- basically show her that she is valuable too.
It may take time but you two could end up being a great team together.Last edit by -jt on Dec 13, '02
Dec 13, '02Occupation: CNA Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 485; Likes: 15I work with one CNA who for some reason takes it upon herself to suction vent pts, do trach care do dressings, mess with the vent alarms, the IVS, etc. I have never met another CNA like this but no one seems to mind that she does all these things. She works the 11-7 shift and there aren't as many people milling around to catch her. But the nurses and other CNAS on that shift know she does it. I was once working on a regualr floor with her and a pt wound up being intubated so she needed to be transported to ICU. One RN goes, the respiratory therapist and the resident and a CNA goes along just to carry stuff and help bring back the bed, that sort of thing. Well, I happened to be the CNA on that team and one of the nurses said to me, " I would rather Nancy go because she works with vent patients all the time and I really trust her, " Trust her to do what? Wipe the pt's ass if she poops on the way there? It was really weird.
Dec 13, '02Joined: Feb '02; Posts: 1,178; Likes: 222this must be an ongoing problem everywhere; i too had problems with cna...here's a post that i wrote on another thread called: being a charge nurse. i would do as sooo many have suggested and move on somewhere else if you value your license. believe you-me, your don would side with this cna over you. good luck to you.
ciao - moe.Last edit by SKM-NURSIEPOOH on Dec 13, '02
Dec 13, '02Occupation: CNA Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 485; Likes: 15I am a student so it is not yet affecting me in the way. Oh, believe, me I would NEVER put up with that. It just seems that the nurses on that shift don't have a problem with it so no one is complaining. It's funny you say that the DON would side with the CNA. I figured the CNA would get fired and the nurse would just say she didnt know about it or something and since there is a shortage the nurse would just be reprimanded. We once had a CNA who gave tylenol and she got fired. Nothing happened to the nurse who let her do it.
Dec 13, '02Occupation: Nursing student Joined: Nov '02; Posts: 389; Likes: 10Could someone explain to me why it was wrong for the CNA to give the resident the last of the pudding/med cup? I don't see how the meds were "snatched" from the RN, if the RN gave the meds to the patient in the first place. If the patient hadn't been fed the last of the pudding, wouldn't he or she have missed receiving the full dose of medication?
I must be missing something here. I'm starting my CNA classes next month, so this would be useful information to know.
Dec 13, '02Occupation: CNA Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 485; Likes: 15Because CNAS aren't supposed to administer meds! And to grab something out of someone's hand is just plain rude and inexcusable. My two year old nephew does that!
Dec 13, '02Occupation: student Joined: Mar '02; Posts: 118; Likes: 3One: CNA's cannot give meds(unless I think I have heard of some places they can get a certification as a med passer, but I doubt she had it in this case)
Two: NO ONE can EVER give any med that they did not get ready themself. Big NO NO. It is NEVER ok for anyone else, be it a CNA, or another nurse, to give anyone a med you poured and performed the 5 rights for.