"Nursing Shortage" The real Solution

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Greetings to all,

I know in my capitalistic heart of hearts the only solution to the"nursing shortage" is to pay a professional wage! People will "want" to become nurses. If a nurse could indeed afford to live in a home, drive a nicer automobile, raise a family, purchase nicer things, take vacations, and do the same things as other professionals on one salary - that one being the one of the nurse - poof, the nursing shortage would be solved.

I am quite tired of hearing limp wristed proposals where special moneys are made available for new nurses training as an enticement to enter the profession. This simply does not work! It is a so called band aid on a gaping wound! Make the compensation for the new modern nursing function

significant enough to attract people into it.

Make them pay for the education themselves. Borrowing, as I did, or doing whatever they feel necessary to raise the funds to go to College. Make the expense simply a part of becoming a Registered Nurse.

I do not ever seem to recall any national problem recruiting prospective students into becoming lawyers, doctors, business (MBA's CEO's) , or any other "profession." The reason is plainly because these disciplines provide monetary compensation for the education needed to attain it after they are earned.

Nursing simply does not sufficiently reward practitioners, if we can even be called that. The financial rewards (gain) necessary to attract enough people enough to endure the educational,financial, emotional, physical, and other stressors and risks for such poor remuneration. Simply put the risks of Nursing significantly outweigh the gains to most people who are considering a career choice. This makes it a poor choice for

any success minded youngster to enter practice as an RN.

It should not be unheard of for every RN to make $100,000 in 2002 dollars! It should be the norm for a beginning Registered Nurse. Paying a pittance for one of the highest stressed jobs in the world should no longer be tolerated. With this money comes the respect from administration, government, and every one else in our capitalistic society.

At that rate of pay the profession will attract successful people.

Nursing will no longer be the domain of a "washing machine" wage earner. No more emptying the trash, filling out redundant forms having the same information written on page after page. Supplemental staff would be available to perform the non-nursing "additional duties" currently assigned because a nurse is not really valued.

Bean counters and efficiency experts would be brought in to help hospitals and other places where nurses work to effectively limit the non-nursing tasks we do not need to do and should not be doing. Nurses would dictate notes and have a transcriptionist to print them.

I sound greedy to some: the altruistic, the administrators, the

government, and perhaps to the public at large. Earning about $40,000 a year, as the average nurse does, is very poor compensation in comparison to the true nursing functions we perform every day. We commit an egregious injustice to young people attempting to entice them into a poorly compensated highly stressful position in nursing.

Managed care will scream we do not have that kind of money to pay. Government will clamor that the budget does not support that kind of expense for nursing. Perhaps they are right! I do not believe this is true.

When all is said and done the only thing that will attract people into a field is a promise of significant earnings - period! Do we want nurses or are we as a country really saying that we do not want nurses. Put your money where your mouth is! Pay Registered Nurses as if they were valued. Everything else will magically fall into place!

Norbert Holz RN

I dont think so. We already have that in my city but we still have a shortage. Its not as bad as other places but it does exist and its not all about money because we are well compensated - thanks to 40 yrs of being unionized & negotiating contract improvements. The bedside RN shortage in NYC is about the workplace. My hospital salaries are only mid-level compared to others in my city. Where I work, day shift ADNs with 20 yrs experience as an RN earn $75K, night shift ADN earns $80K. If they have a BA/BS/BSN, MA/MS/MSN, Phd or specialty certifications in any field, they earn a few thousand more. All straight time base. A little OT at my hospital & they can reach 100K easily. At other hospitals around us, they dont even need the OT to earn 100K.

Within NYC & now even in Westchester - a suburb north of the Bronx, we have had 100K nurses for a while - since our union contracts provide that we get paid for our years of experience & education. Still some of these hospitals continue to have a shortage of RNs willing to work at the bedside. Remember the old saying: "you cant pay me enough to work in that hell hole"?

I don't believe that it is about the money. No amount of money would make me go through what doctors have to endure. My brother is a 5th year ENT resident, married with 4 children and living on 28,000 a year! He will no doubt be compensated once in private practice, but at what price? I spent 4 years, have a BSN (no college debt) and make $28/hr after 10 years, love nursing and have fun every day. My brother has been in "school" for 13 years, has 150,000 of debt and still makes pittence, spends two nights a week with his kids and wife on average and still has call to look forward to!!

No- the grass is not greener on the other side!

Amen, Sandygator & jt!

The working conditions are every bit as important as salary! I am one of the lucky nurses that has a decent wage ($29/hr). I can't complain about my pay. But I am starting to believe that hospital nursing is a form of "hell." I have switched hospitals, and floated to other units. And it is the same staffing problems wherever I go...

I'm only a few years out of college (4 yrs) & already battled several rounds of burnout. You know what- I'm fed up with coming in to work and running my rear off all shift, missing any chance to eat or have a break, and staying overtime on top of that. And I'm sick of watching perfectly nice coworkers do the same. I am tired of orienting cheerful, enthusiastic new grads and seeing them become bitter & crispy & disillusioned in a matter of months. And I'm also fed up with management telling us how we need to get those patient satifaction scores up higher next time, when we are killing ourselves on a daily basis to meet the bare bones needs of the patients already. For goodness sakes, we are running the second we hit the floor till the time we go home! I have nothing left to give!

I do love nursing, but I have to consider my own happiness & health, too. I regret having to leave nursing, because I think I am a good nurse. But I've just about had it! And if that means a pay cut, & career change, so be it. I'm heading back to college next semester, to find another career. If nursing can ever get some decent staffing, I would be more than happy to stay! It really burns me up that nobody seems to understand why there's a shortage. Try working the floors sometime & you'll find out soon enough. :(

I agree with the issue of pay rates. Is this the reason we have so few male nurses. Loray

Originally posted by -jt

[b Still some of these hospitals continue to have a shortage of RNs willing to work at the bedside. Remember the old saying: "you cant pay me enough to work in that hell hole"? [/b]

I gotta agree with -jt. Salary is only part of the issue. Stress created by trying to do a decent job despite poor staffing levels, lack of support from management, and incredible responsibility without the corresponding authority are what create burnout.

To RN from Philly: $40,000/year after taxes is really only about $25,000 per year. I take home $2000-2300 per month. I live paycheck to paycheck and can barely afford my rent, car and bills.Thank goodness I don't have a child to support. It kills me when I see other people in non degree fields make much more than I do. I HAVE tried to change things but can't do it alone. Therefore, I am going to change my own life by moving on from b/s nursing. Love the patients, can't afford to stay.

It's funny in the current climate in Australia, we all feel like we're alone.... Queensland is undertaking strike action to change conditions for nurses here. Reading this forum I realise that this problem is a world-wide deal !!!!

If you are losing faith and want a bit of inspiration take a look at salaries in aussie nurses' domain!! Not to mention the conditions you'd have to work in to understand!

Let's face it---those been pushers know where the extra money is, but we wouldn't want to infringe on their "bottom line." :rotfl:

Heaven forbid!!!!:D

More money would be nice...I'm 23, I graduated a year ago, and I'm still living with my mom and brothers b/c I can't afford my own place and everything that goes along with it after I pay my school loans, car payment/insurance, etc...

As someone said above, I'm one of those that started out an enthusiastic new grad, and in less than 1 year, became bitter, crispy, and disillusioned. That's why I transferred out of the ER to do After-Hours Occupational Health. I'm still in the same ER, so when I'm not taking care of Occ Health (avg 1-2 pts per night), I'm working in the ER same as before, only not the headaches of having 6 critical pts all at once, hoping they don't die b/c I don't have time to take care of them.

My friends who have a BS in other fields are making 10-20K more than I am per year, and have much less job stress...

When I have more experience, I'll go into agency where I can make more money and have some flexibility, so that I can go back to school for my MSN.

One reason the docs make so much money is that they're not hospital employees...I do think things would improve with more widespread unionization, where nurses could set and agree to their own terms.

Specializes in LTC, ER, ICU,.

the "solution" is not as easy as it seems. the question is, how did "nursing" get to this point in the first place.

if the "root" of the problem isn't identified, there can not be a solution.

money is not the underlying cause, therefore, it will not "fix" the problems.

what ever the "root" is, it did not creep up on "us", it was over looked and now, we want action and the problem is complexed. imho

Just a question, are all those VPS and suits really needed? How many of them does it really take to "solve problems"(I think the staff could fix most/all and share the money where it should be, with staff.

money may not be the entire answer but it certainly is the most of it.

instead administration dances around the issues and spends even more money on crazy schemes like importing nurses. why not pay us for our housing and expenses?

money would entice more ppl to the profession and keep them. nobody wants to feel like they are working for nothing and all of their efforts are uncompensated.

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