"Nursing Shortage" The real Solution - page 3
Greetings to all, I know in my capitalistic heart of hearts the only solution to the"nursing shortage" is to pay a professional wage! People will "want" to become nurses. If a nurse could indeed... Read More
Jun 30, '02Occupation: Registered Nurse From: US ; Joined: Nov '99; Posts: 829; Likes: 166Amen, Sandygator & jt!
The working conditions are every bit as important as salary! I am one of the lucky nurses that has a decent wage ($29/hr). I can't complain about my pay. But I am starting to believe that hospital nursing is a form of "hell." I have switched hospitals, and floated to other units. And it is the same staffing problems wherever I go...
I'm only a few years out of college (4 yrs) & already battled several rounds of burnout. You know what- I'm fed up with coming in to work and running my rear off all shift, missing any chance to eat or have a break, and staying overtime on top of that. And I'm sick of watching perfectly nice coworkers do the same. I am tired of orienting cheerful, enthusiastic new grads and seeing them become bitter & crispy & disillusioned in a matter of months. And I'm also fed up with management telling us how we need to get those patient satifaction scores up higher next time, when we are killing ourselves on a daily basis to meet the bare bones needs of the patients already. For goodness sakes, we are running the second we hit the floor till the time we go home! I have nothing left to give!
I do love nursing, but I have to consider my own happiness & health, too. I regret having to leave nursing, because I think I am a good nurse. But I've just about had it! And if that means a pay cut, & career change, so be it. I'm heading back to college next semester, to find another career. If nursing can ever get some decent staffing, I would be more than happy to stay! It really burns me up that nobody seems to understand why there's a shortage. Try working the floors sometime & you'll find out soon enough.Last edit by Genista on Jun 30, '02
Jun 30, '02Occupation: RN Grade 5 Joined: May '02; Posts: 30; Likes: 1I agree with the issue of pay rates. Is this the reason we have so few male nurses. Loray
Jun 30, '02Occupation: RN Joined: May '99; Posts: 3,488; Likes: 118Originally posted by -jt
[B Still some of these hospitals continue to have a shortage of RNs willing to work at the bedside. Remember the old saying: "you cant pay me enough to work in that hell hole"? [/B]
Jul 1, '02Joined: May '00; Posts: 67; Likes: 1To RN from Philly: $40,000/year after taxes is really only about $25,000 per year. I take home $2000-2300 per month. I live paycheck to paycheck and can barely afford my rent, car and bills.Thank goodness I don't have a child to support. It kills me when I see other people in non degree fields make much more than I do. I HAVE tried to change things but can't do it alone. Therefore, I am going to change my own life by moving on from b/s nursing. Love the patients, can't afford to stay.
Jul 1, '02Occupation: registered nurse Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 5It's funny in the current climate in Australia, we all feel like we're alone.... Queensland is undertaking strike action to change conditions for nurses here. Reading this forum I realise that this problem is a world-wide deal !!!!
If you are losing faith and want a bit of inspiration take a look at salaries in aussie nurses' domain!! Not to mention the conditions you'd have to work in to understand!
Jul 1, '02Occupation: Nurse since 1966--on disability since 1995 from injury on job. Joined: May '02; Posts: 91Let's face it---those been pushers know where the extra money is, but we wouldn't want to infringe on their "bottom line."
Jul 1, '02Specialty: 8 year(s) of experience ; Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 1,499; Likes: 287More money would be nice...I'm 23, I graduated a year ago, and I'm still living with my mom and brothers b/c I can't afford my own place and everything that goes along with it after I pay my school loans, car payment/insurance, etc...
As someone said above, I'm one of those that started out an enthusiastic new grad, and in less than 1 year, became bitter, crispy, and disillusioned. That's why I transferred out of the ER to do After-Hours Occupational Health. I'm still in the same ER, so when I'm not taking care of Occ Health (avg 1-2 pts per night), I'm working in the ER same as before, only not the headaches of having 6 critical pts all at once, hoping they don't die b/c I don't have time to take care of them.
My friends who have a BS in other fields are making 10-20K more than I am per year, and have much less job stress...
When I have more experience, I'll go into agency where I can make more money and have some flexibility, so that I can go back to school for my MSN.
One reason the docs make so much money is that they're not hospital employees...I do think things would improve with more widespread unionization, where nurses could set and agree to their own terms.
Jul 1, '02Occupation: ADON-LTC Specialty: 19 year(s) of experience in LTC, ER, ICU, ; Joined: Feb '01; Posts: 5,856; Likes: 36the "solution" is not as easy as it seems. the question is, how did "nursing" get to this point in the first place.
if the "root" of the problem isn't identified, there can not be a solution.
money is not the underlying cause, therefore, it will not "fix" the problems.
what ever the "root" is, it did not creep up on "us", it was over looked and now, we want action and the problem is complexed. imho
Jul 1, '02Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 45; Likes: 8Just a question, are all those VPS and suits really needed? How many of them does it really take to "solve problems"(I think the staff could fix most/all and share the money where it should be, with staff.
Jul 1, '02Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 974; Likes: 52money may not be the entire answer but it certainly is the most of it.
instead administration dances around the issues and spends even more money on crazy schemes like importing nurses. why not pay us for our housing and expenses?
money would entice more ppl to the profession and keep them. nobody wants to feel like they are working for nothing and all of their efforts are uncompensated.
Jul 1, '02Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 228; Likes: 6even if you paid me the 100K you are proposing i would not go back to floor nursing. change the working conditions and then maybe you will see less of a shortage. there is no "real" shortage. we are out there. we are just not gonna take it anymore! my license is still on active status so i am ready to work whenever those conditions do change.
Jul 1, '02Joined: Sep '01; Posts: 16,606; Likes: 680I'm with most of you here...change the drama of nursing and nurses will come back in droves... I sooooooooo want to return to nursing, but when I left, I left happy...sure doesn't sound like that's what is available today...just five short years later.