"NETY" and Other Fallacies

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It's September. Pre-nursing students have become nursing students and new grads are either starting new jobs or are well into orientation. And there seems to be a plethora of new posts claiming that nurses eat their young, that the poster gets no respect, that their workplace is full of bullies, that "everyone knows that nursing is mostly women and women are caddy," that the senior nurses on their units "owe it to me" to "take me under their wing and train me" and other claims that are "truth adjacent."

We've all seen the threads, or the post within a seemingly inoffensive thread:

"Yep -- It's true. Nurses eat their young. I know because I've been eaten."

"Newbie here, and I get no respect."

"Respect should not have to be earned; those old cows should just give me respect."

"Nurses are supposed to be compassionate and kind, so where is the compassion for MEEEE?"

"No negative posts. If you can't say something nice, don't bother to respond."

Whether they know it or not, these posters are revealing far more about themselves than they are about the alleged bullies in their workplace.

As a Crusty Old bat, preceptor and charge nurse, I owe it to the new employees on my unit to treat them with basic human courtesy and kindness. Respect, however, is different and when the word is used as defined, must be earned. (Respect: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities or achievements.) When you're new, we don't know anything about your abilities or qualities, and the achievement we know about -- that you graduated from nursing school and passed the licensing exam -- is something we've all done. As you work with us for awhile and we get to know you, you will either earn respect for your abilities, qualities and achievements . . . Or you won't.

Disrespect is defined as lack of respect, scorn, disregard, disdain or contempt. I often see early posts from a new member complaining that their brand new colleagues, preceptors, nursing instructors or some poor nurse who has been saddled with them for a shift lacks respect for them. The posts are dripping with contempt for the nasty old preceptor or addled older colleague who doesn't totally "get" their awesomeness and give them the deference they feel is their due. Posts claiming that "nurses eat their young" while describing said nurses in derogatory terms, claiming that they KNEW the workplace was full of bullies and they've been proven correct because they're currently being followed around by mean old bullies, or that "they should take me under their wing and train me" while verbally excoriating the very nurses they want to mentor them all tell me that the poster doesn't understand workplace dynamics and relationships and is having difficulty getting along with their co-workers. That tells me far more about THEM than it does about the co-workers.

Like many of us, I've taken the time to write responses to some of these posts, hoping to point the poster in the right direction or encourage them to engage in some introspection before concluding that the problem is all in the other person they're complaining about. Some of those posts are long and detailed. I've thought about the original post and about my response for hours, sometimes, before I sit down to type out my response. And then the poster goes off on me, because my answer wasn't the one they were looking for.

To those posters: AN has a wealth of information, thousands of wise old nurses and a metric ton of valuable advice. But you have to be ready to accept it. When you're new, you don't deserve disrespect, but you haven't earned any respect either. You deserve, and are likely getting, the basic courtesy we all owe other human beings. If your co-workers don't LIKE you, that's something else again, and this place can be very informative about why that may be and what you can do to change it. Nurses don't eat their young, but we do give negative feedback. Our job is too important and the consequences to our patients potentially too dire for me NOT to tell you when you're screwing up. If you cannot accept any criticism, you don't belong in nursing.

The senior nurses who mentor or precept you deserve your respect, and you won't GET any respect from them until you GIVE it. Understand that no matter what the nurse in your clinical said, you aren't helpful and don't ease our workload any. If we've taken on the responsibility of teaching you, you have tripled our workload. Be grateful for each and every nurse who gives you that gift. And understand why some seasoned nurses just cannot offer that at this time. Try to exhibit the kindness and compassion for those nurses that you expect FROM them.

Nurses don't eat their young, aren't predominately bullies and don't owe you. But if you're respectful and grateful, you might very well be the recipient of someone's best tips, time savers and teaching.

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Yeah, You're darn tootin" right! It's not nurses who suck. It's just some people who won't accept that some individuals who may call themselves nurses suck. Now that we've defined terms, we can go back to being wonderful to each other.

For nursing instructors to teach students that they will be eaten alive by all the "old nurses" predisposes those students to believe that it is true. That in itself contributes to a hostile working environment and it needs to stop. Why should new nurses, who desperately need to be learning new skills and how to take care of sick people be led to believe that they will not be respected? Why do nursing instructors waste time teaching such a concept as the dreaded NETY when they could instead teach students how to get along with coworkers and be a part of a team? We see the results of this misguided concept every single day here on AN. We get very few questions about how to perform nursing procedures but instead a constant barrage of complaints about how all the nurses are mean to them and they feel disrespected. Whatever happened to just jumping in there and learning how to be a nurse? If you come in to nursing having that mindset you will never see anything else and that is very sad.

Specializes in GENERAL.
For nursing instructors to teach students that they will be eaten alive by all the "old nurses" predisposes those students to believe that it is true. That in itself contributes to a hostile working environment and it needs to stop. Why should new nurses, who desperately need to be learning new skills and how to take care of sick people be led to believe that they will not be respected? Why do nursing instructors waste time teaching such a concept as the dreaded NETY when they could instead teach students how to get along with coworkers and be a part of a team? We see the results of this misguided concept every single day here on AN. We get very few questions about how to perform nursing procedures but instead a constant barrage of complaints about how all the nurses are mean to them and they feel disrespected. Whatever happened to just jumping in there and learning how to be a nurse? If you come in to nursing having that mindset you will never see anything else and that is very sad.

Had to Google the acronym NETY. In my day the concept existed but not the acronym. I've got to tell you that I can not recall any of my instructors telling me that nurses were mean to each other. That, I found out on my own when I started practicing and it was only from a few quacklings that had the steroidal pumped-up pecking order gene.

Otherwise, my instructors found many other scenarios of terror to instill in us far beyond the fear of NETY. Here's a good one: " Remember, when you access an A-line to draw a blood gas, do not forget to close the stop-cock because if you do, the patient could exsanguinate and you will be brought up on murder charges."

Well folks, next to that, I'll take a NETY any day of the week. In fact, feel free to use me as a punching bag at your discretion.

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Had to Google the acronym NETY. In my day the concept existed but not the acronym. I've got to tell you that I can not recall any of my instructors telling me that nurses were mean to each other. That, I found out on my own when I started practicing and it was only from a few quacklings that had the steroidal pumped-up pecking order gene.

Otherwise, my instructors found many other scenarios of terror to instill in us far beyond the fear of NETY. Here's a good one: " Remember, when you access an A-line to draw a blood gas, do not forget to close the stop-cock because if you do, the patient could exsanguinate and you will be brought up on murder charges."

Well folks, next to that, I'll take a NETY any day of the week. In fact, feel free to use me as a punching bag at your discretion.

Should have had a beverage alert! The one I remember from my very first preceptor is that "Here at University of Wherever Hospital, we have a medical school. In a teaching hospital, it is the nurse's responsibility to keep the residents from killing the patients." I spent my first year terrified that I'd miss it when a resident tried to kill my patient and I'd lose my license.

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A silly friend of mine when I was travel nursing used to say "It's our duty, how else are we gonna let nature's selection process do it's thing?' when NETY came up.

I stayed at that specific travel assignment for a bit over nine months. Made some friends I still keep in contact with, including him. When I left, they insisted on having a party at the downtown bar (because everyone wanted to see what *I* was like when I drank lol).

I chatted with him a bit on facebook one day after I had returned home. I mentioned the "nature's selection process" line he always said to new hires. He promptly informed me "You know, I say it nicely but, I mean every word of it."

And he is right.

Every profession and walk of life has it's "standards" for being a member. When one does not meet these standards but insists on being a member of (whatever) group, the process of them being evicted begins. It's that simple.

Some "young" are just begging to be "eaten", and they practically dare their fellow nurses to do so. Then when they get what they asked for, they want to play victim. In these cases, it's not the "young" being "eaten". It's a simple fact of life that someone didn't meet the minimal standards to fit in.

I gave this example before, here is the shortened version:

I was a preceptor. A girl, a few years younger than myself, was assigned to me. She had a bad habit of becoming a ghost during the last hour of her shift. I mean, she was nowhere to be found, totally lost.

First couple times she did this, I let it slide with a light redirection (which were ignored). Third time (she had been gone an hour each time), I called her out on it and wasn't taking any excuses for it happening.

She cried, I mean literally broke down into tears with snot dripping everywhere..............

Then she proceeded to inform me that I was socially retarded if I couldn't understand why someone needed to "freshen up" before leaving work.

She was quickly assigned to another preceptor and eventually left the job on her own accord.

Now, I can assure you, were this girl a member of AN, she'd have been here that night she left posting about her experience on our unit:

Title: New Grad Nurse, My Preceptor Eats the Young

Body: My preceptor tore into me for using the bathroom. Can't I even take a bathroom break? They hate me, I think she's jealous because I have a life outside work and she doesn't. I got no support at all from her or any of the other staff. I just couldn't bear it anymore today and I cried. Should I quit this position? I really want to be a nurse, I've spent my whole life trying to get here but I can't take being bullied....................

This is the type of individual my friend was talking about. It's a good thing she got (cough cough) "eaten".

Seriously, would you have your mother in the hospital knowing she was the nurse? Make sure mom knows: No health problems for an hour before shift change.

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I think nursing schools are at least, largely to blame for "NETY". I know the very first time I head the phrase was from an old-school RN instructor. I was years in the military, where "young eating" was standard and yet never heard the word/phrase even once.

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