Fired recently - REALLY need advice!!!

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Let me preface this entry by saying that I am trying to be vague deliberately, as I am a little on the paranoid side of certain people figuring out who I am. I will try to be as succinct as I can, but "keeping it short" is not my strong suite.

Basically, I was working in a specialty practice (large doctor's office with a few locations) up until the end of December, at which time I was fired (worked there less than a year). Now let me give you a little background that led up to this very stressful event: Well, the long and short of it is that starting around July 2008, my suspicion was confirmed that my supervisor was a very mean-spirited person (sociopath I believe) and that such disgusting traits were starting to be targeted towards me - for what reason I still just don't know. Well, actually, I think a good bit of it may very well have been jealousy over finding out that I had something in my personal life that many nurses, actually just many women, would be quite envious of. Or it could have been some of the "smarts" I displayed at work. I don't know. Nonetheless, I am a kind person who's most always smiling and trying to make othes laugh. In other words, there is just no good reason for a regular person not to like me.

Well, as the months progressed, I noticed that this wench seemed to be targeting me more and more, very much singling me out, being very hypercritical. And I mean it got more and more petty as time went on. But here's the thing...this evil turd very rarely just addressed these "issues" with me directly. Instead, she would always magnify, and even distort, whatever the issue was and proceed to tell the director. She would never be overtly hateful/too critical to my face - a b!h of the worst kind!!!

It really just got to the point of harrassment to the point that most of the other staff knew about it. It became really stressful as you can imagine, going to work everyday walking on eggshells. As busy as this place was, I saw several times where this turd actually made the time to hyper-scrutize me, just looking for ANYTHING she could possibly stretch into something that she could get me into trouble for, while all along letting others "get a pass" for things she was singling me out for.

Well, I won't go on and on about this, especially since I am not comfortable posting the details of these events as I said. However, if you would like to hear more of the details, I will discuss it further via PM. I'll just conclude by saying that in the end, it was such a nasty termination - the evil supervisor even told the director a bold-faced lie about me. Let me also say that this organization has a pretty significant history of high staff turnover too. But I actually thought about filing a lawsuit for wrongful termination, mainly because I informed the director of this ongoing harrassment on more than one occassion - and nothing was done about it. Instead, I get hung out to dry. I'm still considering consulting with an employment attorney, but some of the best evidence I thought I had may not be sufficient (I had brought a tape recorder and put it in my pocket during one of the disciplinary meetings - but the damn thing cut off just a little bit too soon!).

So the advice I *really* need from you guys is: How do I handle answering the question "Have you ever been fired from a job?" on my next job application? And then, if I do even get an interview, how do I explain this situation without committing the proverbial "never bad-mouth former employers" tenet? I have been greatly stressed over all of this, feeling like I am finished. One last note to consider is that I am thinking about applying with the employer I had just before going to work for this craphole - I left there on a good note too.

I'd love to hear about any similar experiences you all have had or know someone who's had and the outcomes. However, ANY advice is welcome!!!!

Many years ago, I was wrongfully fired from a nursing job. I hired a private investigator to call and write the former employer for a reference-several times, under different company aliases- and to ask questions about me in order to see how they would respond. The former employer and Queen Turd DON confirmed dates of employment only, and did not say or document anything else to the PI.

To be frank, whenever I fill out an app asking if I've ever been fired, I lie and say no.

It has never come back to bite me. At this point, it happened so long ago that I'm never asked about my employment that far back.

That is sooo awesome Valerie! *Thank you* for sharing that!!! Definitely the kind of thing I need to hear!!

If you don't mind me asking...what have you said on applications/interviews about the reason why you left that job?

You rock!! Thanks again for your candor!

Hey, SL, glad to hear you're feeling a little better about the whole thing.

Here's one other thing you might consider: Write a letter - SHORT, sweet (very sweet, very professional), and to the point - to the HR mgr or the senior partner of the group, appealing your dismissal.

The point is not to get your job back - I mean, really. Do you wanna go back to the hellhole?

The point is, when you are asked if you have been fired, you can honestly say "yes, BUT... I have appealed the dismissal because I believe I was wrongfully dismissed under the business's personnel policies. I am not pursuing LEGAL ACTION, and I am not attempting to regain employment with them, but I AM trying to clear my name".

I would NOT try to say anything like "I was discriminated against" or "I was treated unfairly".

Face it, we're all discriminated against, sooner or later, and we're all treated unfairly.

BUT if you honestly feel like they singled you out, or lied (I think I remember you saying she lied on a write-up?) then they surely have personnel policies against that kind of behavior and you have every right to appeal your dismissal.

Tell the TRUTH, but be diplomatic and don't sound like a whiner or a victim. Sound like somebody who was wronged, who is working (NOT "FIGHTING") to corect the wrong, and most of all just moving on and being professional.

Hope this helps.

Now that's the first time I've heard that course of action advised. I like it - thank you. That's just it...I just want to move forward, not feeling like I have to settle for another crappy job or something because of all of this.

You still haven't addressed that certain something you have in your private life that other women aparently crave.

C'mon, sister, spill. It will be cathartic.

You still haven't addressed that certain something you have in your private life that other women aparently crave.

C'mon, sister, spill. It will be cathartic.

Ha Ha :) You're funny. I'm sorry for wording it that way. It was rather presumptous. I shoulda just left it at "I highly suspect that she was jealous of something I have in my personal life". While I had wondered about it (could that possibly be why she treats me badly?), I talked it over with an objective outsider who was certain that indeed that was it.

If I say, it will give me away. Sorry.

At least you got the joke.

Good luck with your career.

That is sooo awesome Valerie! *Thank you* for sharing that!!! Definitely the kind of thing I need to hear!!

If you don't mind me asking...what have you said on applications/interviews about the reason why you left that job?

You rock!! Thanks again for your candor!

Thank you. :)

I always say "accepted another employment offer" which is the truth.

Specializes in PCU, *CV, icu, er.

I was fired from my first nursing job as a new grad. There were politics involved as I was not the only "new grad" let go... Additionally, I had letters of recommendation from more than a dozen RN's on the floor. As, well as previous letters of recommendation and positive evaluations from the manager that turned on me prior to the end events of my becoming "completely incompetent" (CNA on same unit for three years prior--Never convert to RN on the same unit--that's a whole different story)

Definately, hurry to get another position. I was devastated. It took me about three months to land another job as when the evil employer was contacted to verify my previous employment answered "not eligible for re-hire" response was a black ball[. I had to slip into a new position with the assistance of a permanent placement recruiter to get a new opportunity. Thankfully, each new employment opportunity has been better and better and I hone my skills with each new experience.

I also want to mention that I did collect unemployment. No interview ever addressed it and where I come from if you are fired from a job, you are inelegible for unemployment. The fact that unemployment to me was granted (after a hearing) verified that I had been wrongfully terminated.

Get back in the saddle quick. The gap in employment is the only thing that I have to continue to explain and it's still a delicate subject.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Psych.

Many, many nurses have been fired. Some admit it on applications and in interviews, and some don't. You need to figure out how you're going to address it.

You can check with HR to find out what kind of reference they will give. While references can say anything they want, only need to say it in good faith to avoid liability issues, most are highly concerned about liability and so don't want to say more than the minimal. Most hospitals where I've worked have a company policy to only give out position title and dates of employment. They will not say whether I was fired or resigned, or even whether I'm eligible for rehire. And some of my previous managers were not allowed to give out any information. Reference checks were only done through HR. I've had concerns that they would give out more info, but that has not occurred.

I have not used this web source personally, but I think it would ease your mind to pay $30 to have a reference check done. This company sounds good and is cheaper than others I've found listed on the internet.

http://checkmyreference.com/?gclid=CP_b7PSl4ZYCFRxNagod7SuPPA

As far as reasons you have left former positions, come up with something that somewhat fits and would sound good to your potential employer. Not a good fit, lack of teamwork, wanting more challenge, wanting a different type of position, wanting a different shift, etc. Try to give minimal detail about problems at former positions and steer the conversation back to a good area when they start probing.

I was fired from my first nursing job as a new grad. There were politics involved as I was not the only "new grad" let go... Additionally, I had letters of recommendation from more than a dozen RN's on the floor. As, well as previous letters of recommendation and positive evaluations from the manager that turned on me prior to the end events of my becoming "completely incompetent" (CNA on same unit for three years prior--Never convert to RN on the same unit--that's a whole different story)

Definately, hurry to get another position. I was devastated. It took me about three months to land another job as when the evil employer was contacted to verify my previous employment answered "not eligible for re-hire" response was a black ball[. I had to slip into a new position with the assistance of a permanent placement recruiter to get a new opportunity. Thankfully, each new employment opportunity has been better and better and I hone my skills with each new experience.

I also want to mention that I did collect unemployment. No interview ever addressed it and where I come from if you are fired from a job, you are inelegible for unemployment. The fact that unemployment to me was granted (after a hearing) verified that I had been wrongfully terminated.

Get back in the saddle quick. The gap in employment is the only thing that I have to continue to explain and it's still a delicate subject.

Thank you for sharing that TamNurse. It's good to hear that people can actually recover from this and move on with their lives. Also, I really hadn't considered looking at it from the angle you talked about - how drawing unemployment would work in one's favor by acting as a verification of wrongful termination.

I am a little confused though because you said you were fired at the beginning of your post, but then later said that you were granted unemployment, which is not possible if you were fired? I just want to understand exactly what you went through.

Also, did you tell the permanent placer recruiter that you had been fired? How was she able to help work something out for you? I'd love to hear more about that!

Thanks again for your awesome input ;)

Many, many nurses have been fired. Some admit it on applications and in interviews, and some don't. You need to figure out how you're going to address it.

You can check with HR to find out what kind of reference they will give. While references can say anything they want, only need to say it in good faith to avoid liability issues, most are highly concerned about liability and so don't want to say more than the minimal. Most hospitals where I've worked have a company policy to only give out position title and dates of employment. They will not say whether I was fired or resigned, or even whether I'm eligible for rehire. And some of my previous managers were not allowed to give out any information. Reference checks were only done through HR. I've had concerns that they would give out more info, but that has not occurred.

I have not used this web source personally, but I think it would ease your mind to pay $30 to have a reference check done. This company sounds good and is cheaper than others I've found listed on the internet.

http://checkmyreference.com/?gclid=CP_b7PSl4ZYCFRxNagod7SuPPA

As far as reasons you have left former positions, come up with something that somewhat fits and would sound good to your potential employer. Not a good fit, lack of teamwork, wanting more challenge, wanting a different type of position, wanting a different shift, etc. Try to give minimal detail about problems at former positions and steer the conversation back to a good area when they start probing.

Wow - another fantastic post with great info. Thank you!! I actually have been considering doing just that - using a reference check service to put these worries to rest once and for all. I need to just bite the bullet and do it. I just hope this organization isn't the one or two exceptions that do share more than basic info.

Specializes in ER, TRAUMA, MED-SURG.

I have to agree, the web site posted about the reference checking site. I also had been thinking of trying to check references on myself, and just never ended up doing it. I saved it in my favorites.

Anne, RNC

Specializes in PCU, *CV, icu, er.
Thank you for sharing that TamNurse. It's good to hear that people can actually recover from this and move on with their lives. Also, I really hadn't considered looking at it from the angle you talked about - how drawing unemployment would work in one's favor by acting as a verification of wrongful termination.

I am a little confused though because you said you were fired at the beginning of your post, but then later said that you were granted unemployment, which is not possible if you were fired? I just want to understand exactly what you went through.

Also, did you tell the permanent placer recruiter that you had been fired? How was she able to help work something out for you? I'd love to hear more about that!

***The hospital fought the unemployment claim because I had been "fired" When I presented my letters of support and both versions of events were presented at hearing, unemployment sided in my favor which validated my position. I had no intention of trying to return to that place after they had treated me so badly but I believe it provided me some satisfaction. If the hospital had been found in the right I would not have been granted unemployment.

The recruiter addressed it focusing more on an ackward/poor transition of CNA to new grad RN on a unit I had always worked. (true) I'm not exactly sure how she was able to gloss over it (the conflict) so well but where I was unable to land a position on my own, she got me right in. I believe too that the idea of a fresh start was also emphasized. I just needed a professional representative to place me.

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