Experience with Distance Ed NP programs

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Just curious about your journey through NP school via distance. I was unable to find another thread which exclusively provided a "lived experience" list for those going through, or have been through the distance ed process.

As you are aware, there has been much derogatory comments, false statements, and other inflammatory remarks regarding distance education which I dismiss as nothing more than manifestations of insecurity within themselves, all from my estimation, made by those who have never been through the distance education NP program process. Unfortunately, I feel that comments such as these from uninformed individuals might place distance education in a bad light for those considering such pathways to career advancement.

Since distance education is a proven legitimate and viable option for NP's, I'd really like to hear other's experiences.

For those of you doing the NP route via distance, what has been your experience? Where are you going? What do you like/not like about the program? Have any regrets about not taking the traditional path, like going to classes on another's schedule, paying extra money to take you there in light of gas prices, etc? Do you feel that your experience has short-changed you as compared to going through a traditional program? If you had to do it over, would you have chosen the traditional path?

That doesn't say much for their program.

Actually, it says a lot about the student and less about the program. Contrary to what many people believe some students are capable of working and retaining a large amount of information while attending graduate school. Online classes require a certain personality to excel; much like nursing or medicine requires a specific personality.

I completed my undergrad face to face. My classes were much like any other class where the professor read from the power point and answered a few questions. I learned more when I went home and read my text books and did my own research to find answers to the questions I had.

My online classes offer me direct communication with other students and the instructor. I can call or email them any time and they get back to me or call when I need that immediate interaction. The online programs are not for slackers or procrastinators. The individual who is a go getter usually thrives in an online environment. I believe the online programs offer different and sometimes increased challenges.

When I sat in my class of over 100 students it was easy to sit in the back and not say a word and never interact if I chose not to. In an online class you are required to participate and it is well advised to know what you are talking about or be exposed as the idiot you present yourself to be.

Some people are gifted with the ability to manage their time well, read quickly, and retain a large amount of information; they can work full time and easily complete and online program. Granted they may not have a life outside of work or school but it can be done efficiently and credibly resulting in a competent Professional.

That doesn't say much for their program.

Actually given that UC Davis doesn't have a school of nursing it really doesn't say much for their program.

David Carpenter, PA-C

Specializes in ER; CCT.
Actually given that UC Davis doesn't have a school of nursing it really doesn't say much for their program.

David Carpenter, PA-C

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/nursing/about_us/

From that page:

"Pending the successful completion of the approval processes, the Betty Irene Moore School of Nursing at UC Davis anticipates admitting its first students in master and doctorate programs in the fall of 2010"

David Carpenter, PA-C

Specializes in ER; CCT.
From that page:

"Pending the successful completion of the approval processes, the Betty Irene Moore School of Nursing at UC Davis anticipates admitting its first students in master and doctorate programs in the fall of 2010"

David Carpenter, PA-C

The baccalaureate program is expected to launch in the fall of 2011.

Specializes in ER; CCT.
Actually given that UC Davis doesn't have a school of nursing it really doesn't say much for their program.

David Carpenter, PA-C

Another point, UC Davis is highly respected in my local community. As an example, I'm not aware of any other NP program in the US that requires 1,900 hours of clinical training. To suggest the lack of a generic nursing program or graduate level nursing program housed in the same college is associated with a poor quality program is trully misinformed. This is nearly as misinformed as to suggest that the quality of a NP program is based somehow on whether or not a NP student can work during their studies.

Until they eliminated their NP program, Stanford enjoyed the respect of many with their NP program and again, it was not associated with any graduate or generic nursing program at Stanford, even though the program was through Foothill.

I personally disagree with UCD's philosophy, however, that PA's and NP's should be trained together as the roles are based on separate professions--one nursing and one medicine. PA's are not trained as nurses, nor do they use the nursing process in caring for clients. NP's are not trained to practice medicine, nor are they licensed to practice medicine in any state in the US. Perhaps this is why UCD is the last program of its kind in the US.

The baccalaureate program is expected to launch in the fall of 2011.

Actually my comment is in response to this:

I know several UC Davis FNP students, all of which work full time.

Its pretty easy to work full time and attend a non-existent FNP program.

David Carpenter, PA-C

Specializes in ER; CCT.
Actually my comment is in response to this:

Its pretty easy to work full time and attend a non-existent FNP program.

David Carpenter, PA-C

I'm not sure I understand. UCD does have a FNP program.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/fnppa/aboutprogram.html#MSNCurr

I'm not sure I understand. UCD does have a FNP program.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/fnppa/aboutprogram.html#MSNCurr

UC Davis has a PA program housed in the school of medicine. Because of California BON regulations, RNs that took the coursework were allowed to become licensed as FNPs. With the changes in Medicare guidelines they could no longer get reimbursed as FNPs by Medicare without an MSN. So currently if you are an RN with a BSN you can get your MSN through CSU-Sacramento. This will again allow you get a FNP license in California. My understanding is that licensing in other states is very problematic since the underlying clinical experience is not done is a nursing school. Also I have heard that the students are having problems getting certified as an FNP for the same reason (although I have no way of verifying this). Essentially this program and the Stanford program took advantage of the way that the California NP statue was written to do this. I would challenge you to find any other NP school that is not held in a school of nursing.

Its increasingly unlikely that the program will survive in the present form because of changes in PA program accreditation standards. In any event the change to DNP in 2015 in that area will pretty much put an end to it.

David Carpenter, PA-C

Specializes in ER; CCT.
UC Davis has a PA program housed in the school of medicine. Because of California BON regulations, RNs that took the coursework were allowed to become licensed as FNPs. With the changes in Medicare guidelines they could no longer get reimbursed as FNPs by Medicare without an MSN. So currently if you are an RN with a BSN you can get your MSN through CSU-Sacramento. This will again allow you get a FNP license in California. My understanding is that licensing in other states is very problematic since the underlying clinical experience is not done is a nursing school. Also I have heard that the students are having problems getting certified as an FNP for the same reason (although I have no way of verifying this). Essentially this program and the Stanford program took advantage of the way that the California NP statue was written to do this.

Its increasingly unlikely that the program will survive in the present form because of changes in PA program accreditation standards. In any event the change to DNP in 2015 in that area will pretty much put an end to it.

David Carpenter, PA-C

True the NP program is housed in the school of medicine, but the program is, and has been approved by the board of nursing for decades. With the BSN prerequisite and the completion of the MSN through CSUS, the FNP track ensures that graduates will have no problems with licensing in other states, national board certification, or medicare reimbursement. Is this not correct?

I would challenge you to find any other NP school that is not held in a school of nursing.

Thankfully, no. Nursing and medicine are two separate and distinct autonomous yet interdependent professions. As stated previously, I feel that by offering a program through a school of medicine and calling it nursing undermines the nursing profession, the nursing process and our disciplines status. It only serves to underpin the AMA's position that APN's are nothing more than spin off's of medicine, and consequently needs medicine supervision, regulation and oversight.

true the np program is housed in the school of medicine, but the program is, and has been approved by the board of nursing for decades. with the bsn prerequisite and the completion of the msn through csus, the fnp track ensures that graduates will have no problems with licensing in other states, national board certification, or medicare reimbursement. is this not correct?

my understanding is that the graduates are eligible for medicare reimbursement if they are licensed by the states. the rub is that (as i understand it) since they did not graduate from a ccne or nlnac accredited program they are not eligible for the ancc exam. i believe they can still take the aanp exam. there are similar problems with some states licensing (in regard to graduating from accredited nursing schools). this is the reason that stanford did away with their program. they actually looked at a similar affiliation for an msn but ultimately decided that it was unfair to prospective students as they could not guarantee eligibility.

thankfully, no. nursing and medicine are two separate and distinct autonomous yet interdependent professions. as stated previously, i feel that by offering a program through a school of medicine and calling it nursing undermines the nursing profession, the nursing process and our disciplines status. it only serves to underpin the ama's position that apn's are nothing more than spin off's of medicine, and consequently needs medicine supervision, regulation and oversight.

i won't address the politics. just to point out that both the uc davis and stanford programs were designed as pa programs under the medex model (which could be considered one of the first distance learning programs). they took advantage of vagaries in california law to graduate fnps which had a better practice act in the early days of the program. this has largely disappeared and the differences in the nursing programs make it unlikely that this will continue.

now back to our regularly scheduled program.

david carpenter, pa-c

Specializes in ER, ICU, Education.

I've never heard of a graduate school admitting anyone who hadn't taken the GRE or some other standardized test. Why is it that nursing programs have such minimum requirements for entry?

All of the programs I looked into in my state require either a GRE or MAT - and I would be suspect of the ones who waive it just because its a nursing degree. One I applied to wanted me to take the MAT regardless of the fact that I already have a Master's degree - all others waived it since I have a grad degree.-

It's my understanding that these entrance exams (just like SATS, ACTS) are to help predict a students ability, in this case, the ability to complete graduate level work. Now I admit that I think that these tests are not a good indicators of success. I myself struggled when I took the GRE the first time. The main reason is because I had a almost totally science based education and the GRE and MAT are geared towards measuring one's knowledge of liberal arts, math and logic. I like many nurses, I suspect, scored the highest on the analytical/logic part of the GRE, because of our science based background.

Nonetheless, if all other professional programs require these entrance exams for graduate school - then so should we.

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