Hi! I'm new to ICU. I had a vented patient the other night who had excessive drooling or mouth secretions to the point that his saliva comes down his cheeks like a waterfall especially when I turn him to his side. I kept suctioning his mouth with a yankeur but he just continues to produce excessive oral secretions. I was wondering what could be causing this as I've never seen this happen before on my vented patients and if there's a better way to manage it. Thanks!
ktwlpn, LPN 3,844 Posts Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care. Has 35 years experience. Nov 18, 2014 What meds is the patient on? Would something like transderm scop be (scopolamine patch) be contra-indicated?
phedrn 2 Posts Nov 18, 2014 He was on a propofol drip only. Running at 50 mcg/kg/min. I actually noticed this shortly after I increased his drip to 50 since he was still trying to get up at 40. I guess, propofol, can also cause hypersalivation based on what I've read? Would it have been advisable to turn the rate back down if this happens?
Larry3373 281 Posts Specializes in Critical Care; Recovery. Has 2 years experience. Nov 19, 2014 PO atropine, scopalamine patch, frequent oral suctioning?
Here.I.Stand, BSN, RN 5,047 Posts Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro. Has 16 years experience. Nov 19, 2014 I was thinking the same thing--contact the MD and ask for a scopolamine patch and/or sublingual atropine drops. That's what we use to help w/ the secretions in our terminal weans. If he was trying to get up w/ the propofol at 40, I wouldn't advise turning it down...I mean, you want him to be safe and calm.
AZGirl27 17 Posts Nov 19, 2014 I have seen this frequently in my vented patients. Sometimes you can get an order for glycopyrrolate that helps cut down on the secretions. This also helps with patients who have a lot of sputum as well in the lungs.
icuRNmaggie, BSN, RN 1,970 Posts Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU. Has 24 years experience. Nov 19, 2014 You will see this a lot in patients who have been fluid resuscitated and are volume overloaded and it decreases dramatically when they are diuresed. I have also wondered if something else, or just being intubated, could be causing that excessive salivation. Good question.
kysmommyrn, BSN 15 Posts Specializes in ICU. Has 17 years experience. Nov 19, 2014 I've changed up my oral care in vented pts with excessive salivation by foregoing the oral moisturizer included in the kit. It helps quite a bit.
delphine22 306 Posts Specializes in Quality, Cardiac Stepdown, MICU. Has 5 years experience. Dec 8, 2014 I had a pt like this recently, ridiculous oral secretions for days, RT came to see her and it turns out her cuff wasn't inflated enough. They fixed that and the secretions dried up immediately. Obviously not the case for everybody but it was interesting to me.
icuRNmaggie, BSN, RN 1,970 Posts Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU. Has 24 years experience. Dec 8, 2014 The subglottal suction ETTs are proven to reduce VAP.
icuRNmaggie, BSN, RN 1,970 Posts Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU. Has 24 years experience. Dec 8, 2014 That is interesting, I have to wonder how an underinflated cuff causes excessive salivation, or are pulmonary secretions coming out around the cuff?
Amagoo 52 Posts Specializes in Peds- ICU. Has 3 years experience. Dec 9, 2014 Hello, I had a vented or and he would just have puddles of drool. So one of the icu doctors ordered oral erythymicin
