ER Nurse is Being a JERK to EMS...

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One of our ER nurses has been just UGLY to all of our EMS people over the past couple weeks. No matter what EMS brings in and no matter what EMS does she finds fault with it. She is refusing to answer questions when calling the service for an interfacility transport, "I want a paramedic to transport a patient and that is all you need to know!," she'll say. She's also told paramedics who have offered to assist with getting IVs started, inserting foleys, EKGs, that those procedures require a REGISTERED NURSE, not an ambulance driver who got their license out of a mail order catalog, has ripped out IVs started by EMS, removes C-spine precautions, refuses to take report, and the list goes on and on. There is already tension between the EMS people and the ER staff as it is...don't know why, just one of those long standing things.

So what's is your opinion? As a member of the ambulance service and the ER staff, I am caught in the middle a lot. When I am on duty in the ER, this nurse is my supervisor and if she tells me to pluck out the IV, I am expected to do it. When I am on duty with the ambulance service, I am MAD when I am told I am too stupid to do a procedure that I do on a regular basis and is makes me really mad to have my judgement questioned by someone who thinks we shouldn't have c-spined a patient who had MOI.

The ER supervisor and the ambulance service supervisor (who just happen to be best friends) are aware of the situation and they just keep telling everyone, "Well, that's just how she is...don't let her get to you." Fine, great answer, but it sure makes for a lot of tension and makes people not want to show up in the ER when this nurse is on...

I must say this though....Rn's in the ER have their role....and EMS has theirs...it's not the same profession nor the same education you can't mix the two....it's like water and oil

Specializes in ER/Trauma.

I got really short with a transport crew last week (nursing home pt. We were absolutely balls-to-the-wall divert, Long story).

Anyway, it wasn't their fault at all (ummm, they don't get to decide whom to transport, yes?) By the time I got done assessing the pt., I felt really bad for treating them discourteously.

Luckily, they came by again in a couple hours to do another transport and I apologized to them in person. They told me not to worry about it and that it was all old news anyhow.

Still felt guilty though :imbar

But this nurse? Sheesh! She needs to be talked to or counseled about her "hard to work with" attitude.

cheers,

Specializes in ER,ICU,L+D,OR.
I must say this though....Rn's in the ER have their role....and EMS has theirs...it's not the same profession nor the same education you can't mix the two....it's like water and oil

Oil and water and vinegar make a wonderful salad dressing. Who says we are not there doing the same job. I thought we were there to take care of patients. Not massage our delicate egos.

Specializes in CAPA RN, ED RN.

Two weeks, huh? What happened a couple of weeks ago? She needs to deal with whatever happened in a more adult manner. Perhaps someone (hopefully a superior) could probe this a little and guide her out of this little funk before she kills someone.

Oil and water and vinegar make a wonderful salad dressing. Who says we are not there doing the same job. I thought we were there to take care of patients. Not massage our delicate egos.

I have followed your responses in numerous threads.....you are EMS...find a EMS site....go away! You have a bloated attitude about yourself....!

Specializes in Medsurg/ICU, Mental Health, Home Health.
i have followed your responses in numerous threads.....you are ems...find a ems site....go away! you have a bloated attitude about yourself....!

just who has a bloated attitude about himself/herself?

hmm...

you know, techs post here also...should they find a tech site?

*~jess~*

Specializes in ED, Flight.
i have followed your responses in numerous threads.....you are ems...find a ems site....go away! you have a bloated attitude about yourself....!

i don't suppose that in your blind animosity you noticed that her specialty areas listed are all in-house?

nursing specialty: er,icu,l+d,or

years exp: 23

and that she is an rn-bsn? doesn't lend much credence to your position when you don't have the facts, eh?

honestly, where do you get off making that comment? wasn't that a bit out of line? and should all of us who've kept our ems credentials leave, then? maybe this should be a site for 'pure nurses' only. no mudbloods or underlings allowed, eh? (quick nod to ms. rowling, there...:coollook:)

Specializes in Medsurg/ICU, Mental Health, Home Health.
maybe this should be a site for 'pure nurses' only. no mudbloods or underlings allowed, eh? (quick nod to ms. rowling, there...:coollook:)

a slytherin-esque nursing forum...hahaha.

please don't forget the blood traitors...nurses who marry emt/paramedics!

;)

*~jess~*

Specializes in ER,ICU,L+D,OR.
I have followed your responses in numerous threads.....you are EMS...find a EMS site....go away! You have a bloated attitude about yourself....!

Bloated, I don't know where that came from. Right field maybe. No I am a nurse. I have dated many EMS over the years. Does that automatically make me EMS.

Specializes in CNA, Surgical, Pediatrics, SDS, ER.

In our ER we really appreciate our EMS and I have not once witnessed anything other than respect for them. Our EMS is great when we get slammed w/ a lot of traumas they dive right in and help. They are amazing and are compitent in what they do.

To remove a pts IV or c-spine is just crazy. I would definatly have gone above the NM if nothing was being done about that sort of situation.

I have followed your responses in numerous threads.....you are EMS...find a EMS site....go away! You have a bloated attitude about yourself....!

I think somebody needs a nap.

The only people that are not allowed on this site are those under the age of 13. I'm pretty sure 46 is older than 13. Everyone else is welcome.

-1 TramuaNurseRN

Specializes in Peds Cardiology,Peds Neuro,Pedi ER,PICU, IV Jedi.
I got really short with a transport crew last week (nursing home pt. We were absolutely balls-to-the-wall divert, Long story).

Anyway, it wasn't their fault at all (ummm, they don't get to decide whom to transport, yes?) By the time I got done assessing the pt., I felt really bad for treating them discourteously.

Luckily, they came by again in a couple hours to do another transport and I apologized to them in person. They told me not to worry about it and that it was all old news anyhow.

Still felt guilty though :imbar

But this nurse? Sheesh! She needs to be talked to or counseled about her "hard to work with" attitude.

cheers,

As a (former) EMS professional, it has been my experience that your willingness to apologize to the EMS crew says a lot about you, Roy. I'm sure they felt better after that - I know I would have. If not, it just serves as further evindence to separate everyone, for one to profession to villify the other. TraumaNurseRNs comments do enough of that it seems. Perhaps this is why EMS professionals call nursing "going over to the Dark Side!" Can we stop being objectionable?

There's nothing like giving report to someone who doesn't respect you enough to be courteous to you, it's not as if field providers have things any easier, and those of us who work in the hospital need never forget that.

The OPs thread is disturbing, and I surely would have followed that one up the chain of command...charge nurse, nursing supervisor, manager until I was satisfied with results or saw a change in attitude. None of us is getting any younger, our work's not getting any easier, patients are still sick, and working with that kind of person is bad for morale.

She needs more than a talking to. She needs an @ssreaming. Or a pink slip. There's no reason for doing such things, and no excuse for attitude like that. Hopefully in the last 6 years since this thread began she's learned a thing or two. It's possible.

vamedic4

It's warm here again :yeah:

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