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    Nursing Officers in the Canadian Forces

    dpcRN, I received your your pm...I'm in the middle of a course right now but I'll get something off to you in the next day or two. NewtoOR...are you at VGH? We have a pretty small unit there but I may know somebody that still works there. I take it by your user name that you are an OR nurse?
  2. AirforceRN

    Nursing Officers in the Canadian Forces

    You'll have to go through the Basic Nursing Officer Course (BNOC) where you are introduced to the military medical system and how everything works, as well as the Basic Field Health Services Course (BFHSC) where you learn to work in the field. These two courses are usually back to back and last 3 months total. They take place in Borden, Ontario. This is in addition to BMOQ which is 14 weeks long and located in Quebec. Once those are done you will be considered trade qualified and ready to work. Usually there is a period of clinical consolidation for new nurses but if you are experienced that will probably be waived. There will of course be the usual nursing courses to complete too...ACLS, TNCC, BLS etc.
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    Nursing Officers in the Canadian Forces

    Hey dpcRN...I'm sure there was a question in there somewhere :) Alright....so...in the past (before Afghanistan) there were many nursing officers that spent years and years behind a desk and never saw a patient. They did administration stuff, operations and training stuff, leadership stuff, but had little or no patient contact. Once we spooled up for Afghanistan we realized that the nurses we had weren't clinically current and were having trouble jumping back into the clinical role. It took a couple of years but now, after a bunch of pushing from the trade, we have managed to secure certain requirements for nurses to maintain their clinical skills. This, in its simplest form, works out to about 3 months (I think...can't remember off the top of my head) per year working full time in a civilian hospital. During the rest of the year you can expect to be working in a clinic, teaching, doing administration work or training. Some people do spend more and even most of their time in hospitals but they are the minority. I know this sounds like you don't get to do a lot of nursing work and to a certain extend this is true. It comes down to this...we work for an organization with about 68'000 full time employees. Most of these are relatively young and healthy individuals. Sure, they require health care but by and large they are healthier than your average person. This is one of the reasons we don't actually have military hospitals anymore. So, the down side...you will not be working full time in a hospital during your entire career (if that is what you wish to do). You will be doing some administration, some teaching, lots of training as well as clinical work. The up side...you get to do a job you can be proud of. You can travel the world, go to some pretty wild places and work in some pretty harsh and austere environments. In my time in the military I have worked in both humanitarian and combat environments. I have been trained in both Critical Care and Air Evacuation and have loved every minute of it. I hope this helps a little. If you have any other questions...even specific ones...please just let me know and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. PS dpcRN...where are you located? I might know an NO in the area that would be willing to get together with you for a coffee or something if you want.
  4. AirforceRN

    Nursing Officers in the Canadian Forces

    Hi dpcRN! Sorry it took so long to answer this. I still cruise these forums but don't post nearly as much as I used to. Also, although I'm not overseas anymore, I still seem to be constantly roaming about and internet access isn't always stellar. Anyway I'd be happy to try and answer any questions you might have. I've been an NO with the CF for about 9 years now so I've got a pretty good handle on how things work within this trade and I'm always happy to share what I know and how I feel about things. So feel free to ask anything and I'll try and answer as best as I can. If you want to pm me (if you can) that would work too. Cheers,
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    Canadian Forces

    Fiona's got it, families stay at home while the members go to train. Is this hard on everyone involved? Yes...very much so, especially when training is 6 months or more. There are financial add ons offered to these members to help make things easier but they are currently under review and will probably change early next year.
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    Canadian Forces

    No problem. Best of luck with nursing school!
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    Canadian Forces

    What happens during the summer varies with what opportunities are available. In my case (I joined after my first year so it was only 3 summers) I did the first half of basic training the first summer, the second half of basic training plus french language training the second summer and spent the third summer up in Yellowknife and Whitehorse doing "on the job training" or OJT and working at a cadet camp. Most students do some sort of OJT during their summers after basic. This usually consists of working at a base Medical Inspection Room or "MIR" which is like a military doctor's office. This is a good opportunity to get some experience with the way basic health care is delivered in the Canadian Forces and exposes you to a lot of the paper work that we deal with. As far as pay goes, you can look at the pay scales here DGCB - Regular Force and Class C Officer Rates - 2012 You would fall under pay level A as an ROTP candidate. Basically, while in school you would start at about $18400/year (plus your tuition and books are paid for). Once you graduate and become an officer you jump to $57500/year. After roughly 10 years in you are looking at $78500/year. Yes it is competitive but you are accepted before your training and not afterwards. So basically if you are accepted for ROTP you are already a member of the CF, the training comes after that. Basic training is tough but it is not about competition it is about teamwork, learning and leadership. Once you graduate you can expect to be posted. You are able to submit preferences as to where you would like to go but in the end the military will move you to where they need you. For nurses this is usually in Edmonton, Ottawa, Valcartier or Halifax, with some nurses ending up in Vancouver and Petawawa as well. There are some postings in some other places but they are few. For what its worth, I have been posted to all the places I have listed as my top preferences, but other's mileage will vary greatly. The work we do also varies greatly. The CF doesn't have military hospitals anymore so that isn't an option. Once you are an RN you will be placed in a civilian hospital for a period of time (around 6 months now I believe) to gain experience in that setting. After that the road splits into many directions. You can apply for specialty training (Critical Care, OR or Mental Health) or you can work on base in the MIR. There are also many administrative positions that nurses frequently fill in areas such as training and operations. Finally...you can't join the military to get rich, but as you can see from above, the pay isn't bad either. Getting paid to go to school plus having your tuition and books paid for is a huge bonus. To make it simple, right out of school you earn the equivalent of roughly $27/hr (of course you are on salary so its not really "per hour" but you get the idea) and this goes up every year. Plus paid vacation time (20-25 days a year) plus full medical and dental. Obviously money is important but I'll reiterate, this isn't a normal job. We have periods of quiet and we have periods of craziness. We are sent to places that few would want to go and are placed in situations that many would never want to be in. We do this without questioning and without the option of saying no. Food for thought. Keep the questions coming...I obviously love my job and could talk about it for hours.
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    Canadian Forces

    Just to be clear, Officers are not required to be bilingual. To progress to Major or above you will have to have a second language "profile" but that doesn't mean you are bilingual (or even proficient in some cases). This applies to both ROTP and direct entry officers. (Fiona, its been a long time eh? How you doing?)
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    Nursing conditions in Canada

    Agree with the above...plus...don't let the vents/whines/rants on this board dissuade or discourage you. If you get more than two people together who share an occupation you will get these things. Check out any board for mechanics, lawyers, cab drivers...its all the same stuff.
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    Military Nurses

    Hello d_n_r! The application process...though lengthy is pretty simple and starts with going to your local recruiting centre and talking to the folks there. They have all the paper work you will need and will tell you how to get everything started. Expect it to take quite a while (months or longer) to hear back...that's just the way it goes. As far as training goes, you will have to complete basic training (a couple of months in Quebec) as well as the Basic Nursing Officer Course and the Basic Field Health Services Course (a couple of months in Ontario) before you will be able to work fully as an RN in the CF. I don't know how many nurses we are looking for at this time but in the recent past it has been competitive. Again, the recruiters will have a better idea on this. The aptitude test isn't all bad and I believe that on the CF website they even have sample questions to let you know what you are in for. They also have videos on what basic training is like as well as some vignettes of nurses to give you an idea of what we do. I hope this helps!
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    Military Nurses

    Hey Jenn...yes, if you want to be a Nursing officer you have to be an RN. The CF will pay for the training but you must be accepted to a recognized nursing school in Canada before you apply to the military. If you have more questions, feel free to ask and I'm sure I can give you some answers.
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    Canadian Military RN info??

    Hey V3ron.", sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I just left Kandahar where my internet connection was less than stellar to say the least. Personally I think the CF would be interested IF you were to complete 3rd or 4th year at a university. Is that the plan? Let me ask around my contacts here and I'll try and get you a more firm answer from a higher up. Let me know too if I understand correctly that you will attend uni to "bridge" to a degree.
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    Mohawk/McMaster B.S.c.N. housing

    Just my experience, Spending your first year in residence is an amazing time. Not only are you with others who are away from home for the first time but you will be meeting countless friends and peers. I found that nursing is such a specific set of classes that many students only meet and hang out with other nursing students. Spending your first year in res will allow you to meet others from every other program at the school...which is kind of what uni is all about. I spent my first year at Mckay at McMaster...it was awesome... just my 2 cents.
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    oral surgeon office

    I've done some moonlighting in oral surgery... Its mostly wisdom teeth teens with some older implants thrown in for fun. My job consists of... Bringing the pt in, getting them comfortable, ensuring they have taken their preop antibiotics Baseline vitals and hookup to the dynamap IV start Med admin (mostly versed and fentanyl...sometimes ketamine) Charting Escort briefing on postop care etc Pt Monitoring IV removal Prep for departure. That pretty much it. To be honest its a pretty good gig and I enjoy it...its a nice change from the hospital. The pay ranges from around $25-$30/hr based of course on who you work for. My surgeon has an advanced airway kit, an AED and reversals on hand at all times. The pt is constantly monitored until departure which is a pretty comfortable feeling for me. Hope this helps.
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    An ER "First" for Me...

    My response to your patient.... "Sigh...listen lady....I'm not in the business of providing narcotics to every single patient that walks through these doo......wait......I'm sorry did you say you wanted the Torodol?"
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    Salem sump NG tube

    I understand what you mean and I have seen this done countless times without any disastrous results. It is not best practice however and the one way anti-reflux valve should be used instead.