Eating healthy on 21 dollars per week...

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"no organic foods, no fresh vegetables, we were looking for the cheapest of everything," mcgovern said in an interview with the washington post at a washington supermarket. "we got spaghetti and hamburger meat that was high in fat—the fattiest meat on the shelf. i have high cholesterol and always try to get the leanest, but it's expensive. it's almost impossible to make healthy choices on a food stamp diet."

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even for those people who are not seeing eroding benefits over time, the reality is “there are health consequences” to living on such a limited budget for more than a few days. people on food stamps are often forced to choose foods with higher fat, breads that are not whole grain and processed foods with unhealthy levels of sodium and sugar—a dangerous combination for people prone to diabetes, heart disease or other diet-related health problems. “living (on $21 a week) for a week is different from living on it for six months,” weill said.

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that is why more people should demand to know why—in a year in which we are projected to give the wealthiest 1 percent of the nation some $56.5 billion in tax breaks, just to cite one example of the national priorities set by president bush—we can’t do better than an average of $21 a week to ensure that our fellow americans can have three decent meals a day.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/05/18/food_stamps_the_21_question.php

PHEAA is an independent agency and is not tax-supported. The money those students receive does not come from tax revenue.

These may be labeled "state grants," but this in no way correlates with your claim that GCC takes "state tax dollars indirectly."

PHEAA's income is derived from interest revenue and business activity, not from the taxpayers. Sorry to point out your presumptive error.

Not a presumptive error... Who provided the seed money for PHEAA? More than likely it was initially funded by the legislature of PA which does make it a stater source of revenue.

Specializes in High Risk In Patient OB/GYN.

If you want to get really into it, I'd be willing to make a bet that at least one student in all GCC's years came from a family who received welfare cash assistance and/or Earned Income Credit, and that some of that money went into paying for the tuition, thus funding GCC with tax dollars, admittedly indirectly.

Or that some of the students at one time were on medicaid and/or received food stamps that enabled them to succeed in high school, thus earning the above average grades required to attend this institution, thus PA tax money indirectly benefitting (though not being paid to) GCC.

If you wanna get really into it, that is. ;)

But this is a religious institution that makes a very specific point to be as independant as possible--really that seems to be a large part of their gimmik, their draw. That makes this, IMO, a moot point.

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Not a presumptive error... Who provided the seed money for PHEAA? More than likely it was initially funded by the legislature of PA which does make it a stater source of revenue.

But you don't know that, and there is not one single reference to support your "more-than-likely." Facts are essential. PHEAA started out as a loan guarantor company, not as a grant provider. The fact is that it is not a tax-funded agency.

Kell's post is just splitting hairs. And it's as relevant as saying that a church organization should be subject to government oversight because a welfare recipient made a donation to a religious cause.

If I really wanted to I could go dig up the legislative history to list out the enabling legislation to show the history of the program.

However the website of the college directly references "state" grants which in and of itself implies taxpayer involvement in funding of student education.

FWIW borrowing money at a higher interest rate from "alternative" loans to attend school advances the broad interests of neither the student or society.

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How about required education for people on welfare? Not just hand outs because too many don't read well.

Seems all the sources recomment beans.

I love beans! They do need a grain such as rice or wheat.

Chili over corn bread - red beans and rice, YUM!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=26&entry_id=15691

http://nutrition.suite101.com/article.cfm/eating_on_a_budget

http://www.peertrainer.com/LoungeCommunityThread.aspx?ForumID=1&ThreadID=41708

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/86216/healthy_eating_on_a_limited_budget.html

It's funny you say that. In TN, I've heard that they are removing school as a way to qualify for families first. Now all you can do is work 40 hours, but guess what? Working 40 hours a week at McDonald's disqualifies you for TANF and they offer no health insurance benefits and you CANNOT live off of it if you are single.

I am one of those people who is attending school and is using benefits to survive. I get food stamps and medicaid. I wanted comment on the food stamp deal too. You don't have to pay to get food stamps and I have always gotten MORE than enough food, even fresh fruits and veggies with them.

I wish that my children's father would take responsibilty for them, but I can't control his inaction. All I can do is go to school and graduate and take care of my kids. I am glad that there are programs to help people who really need it.

Specializes in Cardiac Surg, IR, Peds ICU, Emergency.
If I really wanted to I could go dig up the legislative history to list out the enabling legislation to show the history of the program.

However the website of the college directly references "state" grants which in and of itself implies taxpayer involvement in funding of student education.

FWIW borrowing money at a higher interest rate from "alternative" loans to attend school advances the broad interests of neither the student or society.

Doesn't matter what is implied.

What matters is the TRUTH, and the truth is that it is NOT a tax-funded program, and it is not operated by the gov't. It operates without taking a dime of taxpayer money. And don't tell me what you COULD do, show me what you've done. Enabling legislation has nothing to do with it; what matters is the source of funding, especially in this discussion where you've clearly claimed that the college is a recipient of tax dollars when such is simply not the case.

Your observation on loans is not relevant to this discussion. While I don't disagree with the modern process of taking on huge debt for school, I personally have never taken this route and think that taking out more than a few dollars in educational loans is simply not a good financial strategy.

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It's funny you say that. In TN, I've heard that they are removing school as a way to qualify for families first. Now all you can do is work 40 hours, but guess what? Working 40 hours a week at McDonald's disqualifies you for TANF and they offer no health insurance benefits and you CANNOT live off of it if you are single.

I am one of those people who is attending school and is using benefits to survive. I get food stamps and medicaid. I wanted comment on the food stamp deal too. You don't have to pay to get food stamps and I have always gotten MORE than enough food, even fresh fruits and veggies with them.

I wish that my children's father would take responsibilty for them, but I can't control his inaction. All I can do is go to school and graduate and take care of my kids. I am glad that there are programs to help people who really need it.

I am incredibly happy there are programs to help fine citizens like you.

I am disappointed that there are too many loopholes which cultivate the lack of responsibility exercised by your children's father.

BTW, why would the Democrats, who hold the majority in the Tennessee house and senate, disenfranchise the hard-working student?

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I am incredibly happy there are programs to help fine citizens like you.

I am disappointed that there are too many loopholes which cultivate the lack of responsibility exercised by your children's father.

BTW, why would the Democrats, who hold the majority in the Tennessee house and senate, disenfranchise the hard-working student?

Don't know. I am shocked myself about that, but it's a shame.

Seriuosly, I went to work at McDonalds's at 6.50 an hour and was dropped from families first! I just don't see how that works. That's only $1040 a month. Plus, they really won't let you work fulltime, so it was even less and you HAVE to be in an activity 40 hours a week. Part time school didn't count, so you had to go fulltime. I am in nursing school fulltime during the day, and I don't have daycare at night, so when do I work? Babysitter's cost minimun of 8.50 an hour. Then if you work, they give you less support, so right now, if I were on families first, I'd be SOL because SCHOOL DOESN'T COUNT! :angryfire :angryfire I'm just glad I graduate in December.

Then they let the kid's father get away from his responsibility. If he did his part, we wouldn't need any help because he is supposed to be paying for their insurance and my main need is daycare-- I could handle the rest.

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Kell's post is just splitting hairs. And it's as relevant as saying that a church organization should be subject to government oversight because a welfare recipient made a donation to a religious cause.

I am aware that I was splitting hairs. That was my intention. I figured if you could find a school with pretty radical beliefs and say "See-they never take gov't funds!" I could flip it and come up with something equally trivial yet accurate.

What percentage of all degree holders does this school churn out per year? Seriously, just because you found one doesn't make any difference in the debate Viking has going here. I don't see the relevance. Yes, you may or may not have proved him wrong on one minute point. Yay (?).

It really has little to do with the original topic.

I am aware that I was splitting hairs. That was my intention. I figured if you could find a school with pretty radical beliefs and say "See-they never take gov't funds!" I could flip it and come up with something equally trivial yet accurate.

What percentage of all degree holders does this school churn out per year? Seriously, just because you found one doesn't make any difference in the debate Viking has going here. I don't see the relevance. Yes, you may or may not have proved him wrong on one minute point. Yay (?).

It really has little to do with the original topic.

That's my emphasis, BTW.

Good point. Let's return to the original subject of whether it's possible to eat adequately on $21 a week.

Thanks.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Cardiac, ICU.
A family pays for food stamps according to income. The income must be at or below the poverty level.

The amount is $80.00 a month per person.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/faqs.htm

I think it would be a good idea for items like sodas and chips to be disallowed. You can't buy a bar of soap with food stamps (now a debit card). Why should you be able to buy junk?

Still it takes a brilliant nutritionist to provide healthy meals for the amount food stamps provises.

I know a nursing assistant who supports her mother, daughter, and grand child. She pays $170.00 for $240.00 in food stamps. It is a big help to her.

what state makes you PAY for foodstamps?

I receive 374 a month for three people, so that's 124 a piece a month and 31 dollars a week. I have always had money left over at the end of the month and I get plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables and lean meats.

I don't know why these are so expensive in other areas; the conveinence foods are much worse. Cabbage is 59 cents ahead, lettuce is 99 cents, carrots a bag for 1.29, peppers 50 cents, squash and potaotes are cheap. Broccolli is 1.00 something a bunch. The meat is what's expensive, that's why you get it on sale and freeze it.

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BTDT. Yes, it's difficult to feed a family solely on food stamps. You have to budget, ad-watch and stock up when good sales are going. It is true that food stamps are meant to supplement the family's resources and not be the sole source of grocery funds, but the reality for many of America's poor is that food stamps are the only grocery budget they have. You are given "credit" (deduction from your gross income) for allowable items like child care for you to go to work or rent, but those allowance are usually far less than what you actually do pay. In my area, the maximum childcare deduction was $70/week per child. I paid $90/week per child. The so-called "family contribution" to the grocery funds according to the Food Stamps little government chart was just completely swallowed up by child care and necessities like electricity, another item which has a "standard" deduction. Housing for the poor is often run-down and very energy inefficient. The nice, neat paper chart the government uses is unrealistic at best.

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