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Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

I work for an LTC facility that pretty much charges for pto. This is the first time I’ve heard of this. I actually worked for an assisted living facility for 9 years before company sold the property and we did not lose money for pto.

I'm sure your wonder what I mean by paying for pto. This companies starting wage is $35hr but if you want pto your wage will have to drop to $33.50hr. This is were it gets interesting if you want PTO and Benefits your hourly wage is $32.

With a hourly wage of $32 your annual salary would be

Gross Income$66,560.00

Take Home $53,650.46

With an hourly wage of $35 your annual salary would be

Gross Income$72,800.00

Take Home$58,040.30

The take home between the wages is a $5,000 different. I think this policy is outrages. And to top it off the benefits that they offer still come out of your check every two weeks. I feel as it they are forcing you not to want benefits and pto.

Please share your opinion on this !

How much time off are you getting if you “buy” it? How many hours a week do you work? What benefits do they offer

If you work 2000 hours in a year at $35/hr and take 80 hours off at no pay, you’ll make $70,000

if you work 2000 hours in a year and have 80 hours PTO at $33.50, you’ll make $69,680.

Same with the benefits. if you can be covered under a spouse’s health insurance policy for less than what it costs at your employer, perhaps it’s worth it, especially if they don’t offer much else in the way of benefits.

Lovethenurse2b25, ASN, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

On 6/10/2019 at 10:06 AM, beekee said:

How much time off are you getting if you “buy” it? How many hours a week do you work? What benefits do they offer

If you work 2000 hours in a year at $35/hr and take 80 hours off at no pay, you’ll make $70,000

if you work 2000 hours in a year and have 80 hours PTO at $33.50, you’ll make $69,680.

Same with the benefits. if you can be covered under a spouse’s health insurance policy for less than what it costs at your employer, perhaps it’s worth it, especially if they don’t offer much else in the way of benefits.

I am a full time employee 40+ hrs a week. The benefits that they offer are not completely clear to me I have asked for an employee policy and procedure books weeks ago and was told there wasn’t one. From what I hear from other employee’s the benefits are expensive and not worth it. Same for PTO time no written policy to explain the details. I just know that they do not roll over at the end of the year. I just don’t understand why I would have to take a wage cut for PTO.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership. Has 15 years experience.

It sounds like a weird way of defining per diem (non-benefit earning, including PTO) vs. benefited position. Per diem typically pays more hourly wages in lieu of benefits and earned PTO. That's not uncommon.

Lovethenurse2b25, ASN, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

2 minutes ago, Lovethenurse2b25 said:

I am a full time employee 40+ hrs a week. The benefits that they offer are not completely clear to me i have asked for an employee policy and procedure books weeks ago and was told there wasn’t one. From what i hear from other employee’s the benefits are expensive and not worth it. Same for PTO time no written policy to explain the details. I just know that they do not roll over at the end of the year. I just don’t understand why i would have to take a wage cut for PTO.

Also keep in mind that many jobs offer pto without even tampering with your hourly wage.

Now if i work 2000 hours and have PTO and benefits that drops me down to $32 hr i will be bringing home $66,560 that still doesn’t account for the benefits. Unfortunately i dont have a husband. I think its safe to say its time for another job.

Lovethenurse2b25, ASN, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

Just now, klone said:

It sounds like a weird way of defining per diem (non-benefit earning, including PTO) vs. benefited position. Per diem typically pays more hourly wages in lieu of benefits and earned PTO. That's not uncommon.

Im not a per diem worker I'm actually a full time staff member working 3-11.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership. Has 15 years experience.

1 minute ago, Lovethenurse2b25 said:

Im not a per diem worker I'm actually a full time staff member working 3-11.

A per diem employee can still work fulltime hours. You are accepting higher wages in lieu of benefits. That's not uncommon.

Edit: I see in your OP that you still have benefits taken out of your pay check. I take back what I said. That does seem really weird. Have you done the math to see how you would come out either way?

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership. Has 15 years experience.

On 6/10/2019 at 10:06 AM, beekee said:

How much time off are you getting if you “buy” it?

I'd be curious to know the answer to that as well. "Buying" PTO may not necessarily be a bad thing, depending on how much they offer per year.

Lovethenurse2b25, ASN, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

2 minutes ago, klone said:

A per diem employee can still work fulltime hours. You are accepting higher wages in lieu of benefits. That's not uncommon.

Edit: I see in your OP that you still have benefits taken out of your pay check. I take back what I said. That does seem really weird. Have you done the math to see how you would come out either way?

Yes per diem workers can still work full time hours. But in my case im not per diem i work full time so i cannot work under 5 days a week.

I did do the math is doesn’t add up i would lose a lot of money with pto and benefits. Come to think of it, it sounds as if the company is getting over by paying everyone as if they work per diem wages.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership. Has 15 years experience.

So if you want to take time off, do you just take it unpaid?

Lovethenurse2b25, ASN, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

3 minutes ago, klone said:

I'd be curious to know the answer to that as well. "Buying" PTO may not necessarily be a bad thing, depending on how much they offer per year.

I will update you as soon as i find out more but as of now. No one wants to show me the written policy.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership. Has 15 years experience.

2 minutes ago, Lovethenurse2b25 said:

I will update you as soon as i find out more but as of now. No one wants to show me the written policy.

Is it not online for anyone to access?

Lovethenurse2b25, ASN, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

3 minutes ago, klone said:

So if you want to take time off, do you just take it unpaid?

Without PTO you wouldn’t be able to take personal time off at all. Unless you call out or have someone switch days with you. The DON explained that to me during my interview.

Lovethenurse2b25, ASN, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

6 minutes ago, klone said:

Is it not online for anyone to access?

6 minutes ago, klone said:

Is it not online for anyone to access?

Unfortunately no online access this Ltc is not up to date. We don't even have direct deposit because they say its too expensive. Same for nursing no online software or access to nursing policies without having to scavenger hunt around the nursing stations.

Swellz

Specializes in oncology, MS/tele/stepdown. Has 6 years experience.

On 6/10/2019 at 11:11 AM, Lovethenurse2b25 said:

Unfortunately no online access this Ltc is not up to date. We don't even have direct deposit because they say its too expensive. Same for nursing no online software or access to nursing policies without having to scavenger hunt around the nursing stations.

No direct deposit? Are they aware it is 2019?

Lovethenurse2b25, ASN, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCRN, Geriatrics.

13 minutes ago, Swellz said:

No direct deposit? Are they aware it is 2019?

I asked myself the same question lol

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership. Has 15 years experience.

37 minutes ago, Lovethenurse2b25 said:

Without PTO you wouldn’t be able to take personal time off at all. Unless you call out or have someone switch days with you. The DON explained that to me during my interview.

And why did you take this job again?

TriciaJ, RN

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory. Has 40 years experience.

I'd be having a chat with my friendly neighbourhood Labour Board. This place is pulling shenanigans. No written policy? No direct deposit? They're trying to create as little paper trail as possible so they can't be held accountable for dishonest practices. Are they not legally bound to provide you with a certain number of days vacation for number of days worked?

Likely if they get called on the pay-for-PTO scheme, they'll suddenly classify you as a per diem employee and magically produce the document that says so. Do you have any document that says otherwise?

Do you even get a cheque with a stub or just envelopes with cash? I'd be keeping tight tabs on what I'm supposed to be making and I'd be making sure the cheque (or envelope) isn't short on payday. These people are not to be trusted.