Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP): My Personal Pro's and Con's

Nursing opens a wealth of opportunities through academic advancement. One such option is the Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP). This article does not aim to endorse or discredit this degree, rather, it attempts to explain the author's thoughts on how the degree fits in with his professional goals. Specialties Doctoral Article

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The Doctor of Nursing Practice or DNP degree has been one of the biggest buzzwords in Advanced Practice Nursing. The mere mention of it creates a stir of emotions and strong opposing opinions perhaps of the same magnitude as the liberal versus conservative views prevalent in our current political climate. Unlike nursing buzzwords that come and go depending on what is en vogue at the moment, current Advanced Practice Nurses (APN's) who hold stronger feelings of opposition rather than agreement with the degree would be foolish to ignore the issue. There are strong indicators that support the argument that this degree is here for good.

For one, Advanced Practice Nursing while a smaller subgroup within the larger nursing milieu has shown tremendous ability to self-regulate and adapt to change. Indeed, the speed at which change have occurred in the APN environment is astonishing. The Nurse Practitioner movement, for instance, borne out of an idea in the 1960's, have now blossomed into a membership of more than 180,000 professionals (Pearson Report, 2011). In that period of time, Nurse Practitioner (NP) training completely transitioned to post-licensure nursing programs leading to a certificate to the current graduate degree offerings at the Master's and Doctoral level. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) have even kept up with this change and will only grant provider status to NP's who are trained in a graduate degree program.

One can argue that the number of DNP programs have consistently grown in numbers since the first discussion on building a practice doctorate in nursing began in 2002. The American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) lists 139 institutions with DNP programs around the country, roughly 20% of the total number of member institutions totaling 670 (AACN Program List). Twenty percent may seem small but bear in mind that not all AACN member institutions are offering graduate-level programs that have a potential to be transitioned to DNP. Also, the current program list does not include online DNP programs offered by for-profit institutions that have various locations in different states of jurisdiction. My take home message from these data is that while the recommendation for making the DNP a requirement for entry to practice as an APN is farther from becoming a reality by 2015, the pace at which programs are opening up will continue and the degree is here to stay whether we like it or not.

The DNP was just an idea when I finished my training as an Acute Care Nurse Practitioner (ACNP) in 2003. At the time, academic options were clear to me: pursue a Master's degree with my preferred nurse practitioner focus; get certified in the specialty, and voila, I am all set to practice as an ACNP. The option for further academic advancement at the Doctoral level was also very clear: the next step is a PhD or a DNSc both of which have become identical in content. In fact, numerous faculty members encouraged us to consider returning to the halls of the same university (or maybe even another institution) as a PhD student at some point in our career. The idea had a glamorous appeal to it in my mind at the time and I did entertain the thought of following through. Even to this day, I still struggle with the idea and have not come to a conclusion on what the right Doctoral education path to take. What's worse, this whole DNP agenda threw a curveball in my decision-making process.

As an Acute Care Nurse Practitioner since 2004, I have matured and continue to grow professionally in my knowledge and skills as a clinician. I have stayed in the field of Critical Care as an NP since 2005 and have felt this to be my niche early in my career. In my personal quest both for academic advancement and to grow as a healthcare provider, I do not share the sentiments that the ideal MSN to DNP Bridge should be loaded with clinical content by adding so called "residencies". Don't get me wrong, I feel strongly that clinical content could undeniably be improved in the current manifestations of BSN to MSN or BSN to DNP programs for NP's. But I'm being selfish in my personal goals: since I already practice in a heavily patient care-based setting where knowledge and skills already get tested daily, my needs are different. In other words, I do not need a DNP to get a "residency" in Critical Care because I live and breathe in this specialty day in and day out.

DNP courses that deal with leadership, management, the politics of healthcare, and the financial aspect of providing healthcare can be appealing to individuals in my professional level. This is the reason why there already exist multidisciplinary degree options outside of nursing that addressed this content even before the DNP was conceived. I remember a Cardiothoracic Surgeon I knew who went to a prestigious graduate school of business for a Master's degree in Healthcare Administration. The guy had big dreams of being a division chief or a CEO. A nurse manager in one of the units pursued a Master's degree in Nursing Service Administration because she had high hopes of climbing the ladder ultimately as a Chief Nursing Officer one day. Though I consider myself a clinician foremost, a business degree is a must should I decide to pursue a role in administration. That said, I do not think a DNP is necessary if I was to pursue this direction in my career given the other degree options that already exist.

It seems to me like the DNP marketing machine has been trying to convince NP's like me to think that we need a DNP in order to learn from courses that focus on translating research evidence into clinical practice. I find this to be untrue and insulting to currently practicing NP's trained under the Master's degree model who use evidence-based practice in providing care to their patients every day. However, a Capstone Project utilizing Translational Research is a great idea in itself and though such an activity can be accomplished outside of academia, the DNP student who conducts this endeavor is provided with structure and mentoring from experts in any field of inquiry they are interested in. This particular aspect of the DNP convinces me of the value in getting this degree.

The last argument I have been trying to contend with is the DNP's future in terms level of acceptance in academic roles in schools and colleges of nursing. There has not been a straight answer on how universities determine academic ranking for DNP-prepared faculty as this continue to vary depending on the institution. In the years I've been at the bedside as a nurse and as an Advanced Practice Nurse, I have acquired a great deal of past experiences and lessons learned that are worthy of being passed on to new generations of nurses who wish to follow the path I took. A role in the academia, though not attractive at the present given the low earning potential, is inevitable in my future. However, I seek assurance that the degree I pursue is held at the highest regard in terms of advancement in the field of nursing education. It is still tempting to forego the DNP for the much respected PhD in Nursing.

And as far as your opinion on "incompetent nurses calling themselves doctor"... The schools you are worried about producing incompetent NP's may not be as well known as the one you went to, but we all have to pass the same boards and we all have to do close to the same amount of clinical hours. Aside from that- the board does not just give any school accreditation. I am going to a very well known, well recognized school and I also feel that these "degree mills" are becoming bigger than well known universities, but that's what education is coming to for nurses/APN's. To go as far as to call their students incompetent, I would never. I chose to apply at a top university (u of m) because I wanted to go to a well recognized school that I am proud of, but not everybody has the money for that. A doctorate degree is a very difficult degree to achieve, and I feel it's very offensive to call future or current dnp's incompetent. If you have the letters DNP following your name then I can assure you worked your butt off for that.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
RN-APNstudent said:
And as far as your opinion on "incompetent nurses calling themselves doctor"... The schools you are worried about producing incompetent NP's may not be as well known as the one you went to, but we all have to pass the same boards and we all have to do close to the same amount of clinical hours. Aside from that- the board does not just give any school accreditation. I am going to a very well known, well recognized school and I also feel that these "degree mills" are becoming bigger than well known universities, but that's what education is coming to for nurses/APN's. To go as far as to call their students incompetent, I would never. I chose to apply at a top university (u of m) because I wanted to go to a well recognized school that I am proud of, but not everybody has the money for that. A doctorate degree is a very difficult degree to achieve, and I feel it's very offensive to call future or current DNP's incompetent. If you have the letters DNP following your name then I can assure you worked your butt off for that.

It has nothing to do with "worked your butt off" as I am sure the DNP courses require hard work. Please note that while I strongly suspect there will be more ill prepared NPs graduating in upcoming years largely based on the increased numbers, lax admission criteria and our general lack of prescribing and clinical experiences when I decide a provider seems incompetent it is based on the quality of their practice not their ala mater. In most cases I don't even know or care who went to what school. I am privy to many local NP's prescribing and diagnosing when their patients decompensate to the point of requiring hospitalization and are admitted to my service.

And that's with every profession... I know many RN's, NP's and doctors that have caused declination in patients condition. We do a very difficult job and yes it's hard to watch incompetent people in any level of care with somebody's life in their hands. There have been many times I was scared for my patients life based on who the oncoming nurse was or even who the doctor is. It's really sad, and I think altogether the industry needs higher standards and people need to be held accountable on a higher level.

Specializes in Emergency, ICU.

Although I will be getting a DNP after a few years of advanced practice, I have concerns with the image of APRNs in general. Nursing is very disjointed as a profession, especially when it comes to our public image. I recently came across someone's idea of a positive nursing image in the form of a children's book and I was appalled. And I'm not talking about the book itself, I'm talking about the horribly unprofessional website that promotes it. Image is very important and we do need to educate the public on our role, but doing it with a DIY website? And then nursing organizations are promoting this work as a great thing for APRNs? Ugh. I'm disappointed.

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Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency, Education, Informatics.

I'm fortunate that I work in an environment that HAS LOTS APRNs. Thursday afternoon I had lunch with about 75 of them. A reasonable mix of degrees. FNP, ACNP, MSN, PHD, DNP and one DNP/PharmD/JD. I asked what they felt. I know not exactly a scientific study. Only 6 said the Program/DNP made a difference in how they thought/practiced, etc.

Now what I did hear was "it forced me to think and justify my current practice choices", "Im glad Uncle Sam paid for it, because it got me nothing but a few extra letters after my name", "the faculty had 1/4 the experience I had", How could I take it seriously when m classmates were 20 something's who had never worked as nurses", "Well it forced me to study, which I hadn't really been doing once I hit the work force"

not a a single one who could call themselves Dr Nurse did so, unless they were in academic or publishing environment.

plus there were a bunch of negative comments about people getting DNP to avoid the work of PhD,

100% said if it was cost effective, and you were going to be able to get a $ return on your investment, it wasn't a wast. 100% said the problem wasn't the concept, it was the implementation, poorly thought out, politically motivated, and ego driven, not evidence and science based. That all pointed to the CRNA and stated that they got it right the first time.

the discussion pretty much fortified my thoughts.

DNP/MSN for your APRN, doesn't really matter. It's what YOU put into that is going to make a difference. That BIG name reputable school make no difference other than increasing your cost again it's what YOU put into it. (New grad 26 yo DNP from prominent NE nursing school, kept writing Insulin orders " give IM" when I asked she told me that was how you gave insulin.). I've watched DNP students doing clinical standing there watching and MSN students jumping in and trying everything.

to the post that started most of the discussion, IGNORE everything you read in the thread. All our posts are based on OUR own prejudices. If your in a place that offered a DNP and you can get admitted and afford it, go for it. If the local MSN/APRN is more cost effective, go for that. It's what works best for YOU! If you put in the work, you'll do fine and be a good provider.

my prejudice is I choose the EdD route and not the nursing route because it works best for ME.

CraigB- thank you for your post. It was very enlightening and that's exactly what I was trying to say-we all choose what degree we pursue so why such negative energy from one degree to another! And your statement about type of education was spot on- you will become the type of practitioner YOU choose to be. You will put in as much hard work and time that you want, despite your program, and you ultimately choose the type of practitioner you strive to be.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
CraigB-RN said:
Now what I did hear was "it forced me to think and justify my current practice choices", "Im glad Uncle Sam paid for it, because it got me nothing but a few extra letters after my name", "the faculty had 1/4 the experience I had", How could I take it seriously when m classmates were 20 something's who had never worked as nurses", "Well it forced me to study, which I hadn't really been doing once I hit the work force"

not a a single one who could call themselves Dr Nurse did so, unless they were in academic or publishing environment.

plus there were a bunch of negative comments about people getting DNP to avoid the work of PhD,

100% said if it was cost effective, and you were going to be able to get a $ return on your investment, it wasn't a wast. 100% said the problem wasn't the concept, it was the implementation, poorly thought out, politically motivated, and ego driven, not evidence and science based. That all pointed to the CRNA and stated that they got it right the first time.

This is similar to the feedback I have heard also and I think the CRNA model would have been worthwhile to learn from and emulate. :(

Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency, Education, Informatics.

Although I do have to say, I have a hard time believing your really going to recoup your investment if you spend $$$ going to a prestigious ivy league nursing school for your DNP vs the state school. I laugh at my colleagues from and Hopkins that have 4 times the dept that those who went to state schools.

It adds one heck of a burden when looking for that first school, and I can say that for the majority of the jobs out there. It' s not the school that you graduated from. Notice I said majority, there are jobs where having the DNP from Hopkins or Vanderbilt or the like will get you in the door, but the majority. Not so much.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
CraigB-RN said:
Although I do have to say, I have a hard time believing your really going to recoup your investment if you spend $$$ going to a prestigious ivy league nursing school for your DNP vs the state school. I laugh at my colleagues from Vandy and Hopkins that have 4 times the dept that those who went to state schools.

It adds one heck of a burden when looking for that first school, and I can say that for the majority of the jobs out there. It' s not the school that you graduated from. Notice I said majority, there are jobs where having the DNP from Hopkins or Vanderbilt or the like will get you in the door, but the majority. Not so much.

At least for now I would get nothing monetary from adding a DNP and I was looking at a cheap school definitely not an Ivy league university. A colleague of mine who I actually referred for their present job has consistently made less money than I have both as a nurse and NP with a Hopkins undergrad degree. In this area the big names either impresses or is a turn off. If one actually investigates the faculty's background the professors at two of the well respected universities in my area is underwelming to say the least. Like one of your colleagues alluded to I had more nursing experience as a LPN than most of their grad school instructors and almost all the clinical instructors are brand new grads. :(

That is scary !!!!!

Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency, Education, Informatics.

Yup. Welcome to the world of the APRN. I had faculty members who had never given an insulin shot and they were teaching the APRN students how to do patient education. I had to leave the room so I didn't interrupt.

It's not all that bad. It's just those are the ones we remember. But it does make you raise your eyebrows.

Yes it does! I guess like I've heard many others say, education is what you make of it. Despite school, instructors, learning conditions- these programs are not (typically) for people just wanting a job. If you go into advanced practice nursing it's because you are passionate about making a difference with the amount of autonomy you have. It is what you make of it and at least for me, I am so excited to start my DNP program in the fall- I am so excited to learn and take full advantage of the opportunity to become the best practitioner I can be.