Published Jan 3, 2013
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Many MDs are bitter. Many Nurses/NPs are bitter. On the other hand, there are a lot of MDs and Nurses who are incredible clinicians, excellent team players and happy with their jobs :)
The question is - why those bitter ones started their careers in the healthcare? Many reasons, but caring for people obviously not...
Residency after medical school is at least 3 years. Family and Internal are 3 years (analogues to FNP and Adult NP). During those 3 years, residents get paid 45-50k a year - not more. Another thing, during residency, your average working week is at least 80 hours. So, if you look from that perspective, I make way way more as LPN :)
But after residency it's fairly easy to get a job that pays more than 200k. My friend just got offer as Internal Medicine MD in Wisconsin - Hospitalist position, 230k a year with schedule 1 week on - 1 week off with 3 weeks of paid vacation. He is just finishing his residency so this is offer was given to someone with official "no experience", but everybody knows how many hours he has spent in patient care during his residency.
In my opinion, going thru MD/DNP path is worth. The fact that you will be able to completely address the patient's needs is very rewarding. MD combined with the nursing background is most probably the best thing - MDs wast medical knowledge together with nursing "touch" :) Medical and nursing model working together and "prescribed" by the same person would make the best patient care experience ever.
Why spend all the time pursuing nursing just to turn around and go to med school? Become an NP and do the exact same job (in most cases). Especially if you live in an autonomous practice state.
I mulled the idea around my head for a total of one whole day! In the end my desire it to become a NP but I am unsure of what specialty at this moment. My plan of action is to get my ADN, pay off that debt a bit while working then get my BSN. I will do the same thing I did with my ADN before starting my journey into graduate school! Tho physician assistant school is on my mind...I don't think I will pursue it..especially since its an extra 2 years and you cannot work during that time....it is either frowned on by the school or all together not allowed if you want to be in those programs.
Hey there, I was a Pre-med Student before I ended up with a wife and kid that, forced me to get a degree now as compared to later. So thats how I ended up in nursing school. There's a possibilty I may still shoot for med school. For odder reasons then you may think, I've met great people in healthcare, Nurses, MD's, EMTs, etc. Some of the people that have really been awesome to me though has to be MD's I live in a smaller community so the entire Hospital knows everybody and such. So it's odd working with some of these people and they are just so intelligent and still so friendly then you run into them at the grocery store, and there asking if you want to go fishing? There's a really good account some where online about an RN who went to Einstein med for his MD he has a really good outlook on it. Some of reasons it still crosses my mind, is that if these people can work so hard and still retain that personable self or even grow it I'd love to see that in myself. The other reason and I'm sure people can agree is that you find medicine cool. Like whoa you mean to tell me the human body does XY or Z or that malaria is protozoan and can be asymptomatic if it's this type? I think if I ever get in ( Assuming I decide to every try for it) It's going to be to learn even more... I think one of the larger issues that arises from the whole RN VS MD thing is that the people who have to quantify their value over another class speak the loudest. While I think the people who realize it's not about the accolades and never should be, are too busy with this awesome thing called medicine and trying to help people with it. Goes back to the whole blanket statement issue, All MD's are egotisical, or All RN's are just about care theory.
I want to be a doctor. I just finished an ADN program. Nursing school ruined my beautiful gpa now it's just 3.1 it might be able to stretch it up when I take more classes to get my bsn and if I take more pre med prereqs but I'm gonna be taking online rn to bsn and I've heard that it's impossible to get an A in online schools.
So, yeah. That and the fact that it's expensive is why I shouldn't even dream to become a doctor.
If malaria and Protozoa type infectious diseases are your thing check out Tropical Medicine programs. They are masters and doctoral level that complement your RN
St. George's University - School of Medicine - 5 more weeks until the end of Term 1 and so far it is going very well :) I hope it will stay this way :)
i've heard that many MD are bitter and hate their jobs but theyve invested too much to find another career. theyre bitter cause theyve spent 3-4yrs bachelor premed then 4yrs medicine then 1-2 yrs intern then 2-4 residency (correct me if im wrong). its expensive being in school for 7-8yrs and thats a big chunk of your life. then in the internship and residency years, they dont get paid as much as an attending doctors but i heard they make at least $50k a year. some nurse may get paid more than them. they also feel bummed when they compare themselves to their friends who did a different bachelors degree and have been making so much money since bachelors while they are still in college and training not making any money. and many had already started a family and all that stuff.
they also feel bummed when they compare themselves to their friends who did a different bachelors degree and have been making so much money since bachelors while they are still in college and training not making any money. and many had already started a family and all that stuff.
Actually, despite the 'opportunity cost' losses associated with residency, medicine can be quite lucrative as long as you know what you're doing.
I had numerous opportunities to meet and talk to medical students who were also doing clinical rotations in the same place where I was doing some of my advance practice nursing clinicals. I also met many medical students and residents when I used to work in the ICUs in a large metro teaching hospital. I don't believe that most are about ego. Medicine and nursing are completely different disciplines, and our training and approach to patient care is just different. Nursing is more wholistic and touchy-feely and what-else-can-I-do-to-make-you-feel-better. Medicine is diagnose, treat, and bye-bye. Its not arrogance. They simply don't have the time. I didn't understand this until I became an advance practice clinician. You have a LOT of patients to see, and you have to work your way through them. Some of the docs in my group are seeing (I think) too many patients a day. They're excellent clinicians, but they love their money. A residency lasts only for a while, and the time goes by quickly. I would say that if you want to do medicine you would do best to get cracking on it while you're still VERY young. You can still pursue it when you're older, but the advantages begin to diminish the older you get.
When I do hospital rounds I cover for a whole bunch of docs in my group. I'm very nice. The patient's love me and the docs love me. Pts get their drugs and really,really nice beside manners, the docs collect their money and get rave reviews in their service scores, and I get hefty bonus checks on a regular basis. A total win-win. I love it!
I've thought about med school, but considering all the time and money that it costs I've decided that I made the right choice to become an NP instead. Many CRNAs and primary care docs don't make as much as I do. Not that I'm boasting. Just saying that you can do really well with a nursing career if you plan it right.
In the midst of taking my pre req's for ADN/BSN. Like to go into Doctor of FNP.
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