DNP vs MSN

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Does anyone know what benefits a DNP offers over an MSN degree? I'm looking into being an NP in Women's Health and curious about which degree would be the best for me.

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11 hours ago, Numenor said:

Dunno where your delusion is coming from, but 99.9% of the NP community doesn't even make close to that. Travel nurses on the other hand hit that regularly.

Yeah, the same scope and woefully inadequate for that scope.

What envy? I am a fellowship-trained NP (trained in a 1-year fellowship program alongside IM MD residents in the exact same rotations) and have been one for years.

Peers? So are you a physician or not? OR just a random troll account?

AANP rep probably

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22 hours ago, Numenor said:

Dunno where your delusion is coming from, but 99.9% of the NP community doesn't even make close to that. Travel nurses on the other hand hit that regularly.

Yeah, the same scope and woefully inadequate for that scope.

What envy? I am a fellowship-trained NP (trained in a 1-year fellowship program alongside IM MD residents in the exact same rotations) and have been one for years.

Peers? So are you a physician or not? OR just a random troll account?

Whatever this person above thinks it’s 2022 and we are all experts. 

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On 11/28/2022 at 11:20 PM, Numenor said:

Dunno where your delusion is coming from, but 99.9% of the NP community doesn't even make close to that. Travel nurses on the other hand hit that regularly.

Yeah, the same scope and woefully inadequate for that scope.

What envy? I am a fellowship-trained NP (trained in a 1-year fellowship program alongside IM MD residents in the exact same rotations) and have been one for years.

Peers? So are you a physician or not? OR just a random troll account?

Physicians and NPs are the same.

Travel nurses do not make as much as NPs.

This is what NPs make in Santa Clara county.

https://files.sccgov.org/bc-entesa/basic_salary_plan.pdf

All NPs make around this amount in the Northern California Bay Area.

 

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On 11/28/2022 at 1:23 PM, Tegridy said:

Fortunately most hospital credentialing boards think otherwise. Scope is just a snuff term used by nursing but in most cases doesn’t really mean anything. Credentialing determines what you can and can’t do and I don’t see any NPs taking IM jobs from us since most couldn’t come close to handing the responsibility. 

Well, I live in California where the pay is the highest in the known universe. If Kaiser, Stanford, and the counties hire NPs, I don't care what a hospital in Tookaloopa Mississippi thinks. 

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On 12/10/2022 at 8:08 AM, ChrisHanson said:

Physicians and NPs are the same.

Travel nurses do not make as much as NPs.

This is what NPs make in Santa Clara county.

https://files.sccgov.org/bc-entesa/basic_salary_plan.pdf

All NPs make around this amount in the Northern California Bay Area.

 

 

MD/DOs have functionally the same education, stop living in 1960.

I am NOT a physician. 

OH WOW 200k in California (from your other post), that might get you a condo. Bud, many of my friends were nurses in SF and clearing high 100s as staff. We have travel nurses in my LOW COL town hit 120-150 an hour. 

Now do your little experiment with LITERALLY in other place in the US

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On 12/11/2022 at 1:16 AM, Numenor said:

 

MD/DOs have functionally the same education, stop living in 1960.

I am NOT a physician. 

OH WOW 200k in California (from your other post), that might get you a condo. Bud, many of my friends were nurses in SF and clearing high 100s as staff. We have travel nurses in my LOW COL town hit 120-150 an hour. 

Now do your little experiment with LITERALLY in other place in the US

Who are you lying to? We have contracts. Everyone is paid the same based on their years of experience and level. The link I shared is for Santa Clara County which is the highest paid hospital system in the world after Northern California Kaiser, and Kaiser does not pay that much more. These are facts, and the benefits are the best in the world. I can sell my 1.6 million dollar home in the bay area and own a block in your town. I would basically be Mr. Deeds where you live. No nurse in a small town in making 120 to 150 an hour travelling in a small town. It doesn't happen. But if you don't believe me, apply for these travel positions yourself and compare what you make to what nurses in the Bay make on the Bureau of Labor Statistics. 

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On 12/11/2022 at 10:56 AM, ChrisHanson said:

Who are you lying to? We have contracts. Everyone is paid the same based on their years of experience and level. The link I shared is for Santa Clara County which is the highest paid hospital system in the world after Northern California Kaiser, and Kaiser does not pay that much more. These are facts, and the benefits are the best in the world. I can sell my 1.6 million dollar home in the bay area and own a block in your town. I would basically be Mr. Deeds where you live. No nurse in a small town in making 120 to 150 an hour travelling in a small town. It doesn't happen. But if you don't believe me, apply for these travel positions yourself and compare what you make to what nurses in the Bay make on the Bureau of Labor Statistics. 

... odd flexing and the literally only zip code that pays NPs that much. Cool story bro. Your 1.6 million would get an average home in my city and NPs here make on average 100-130k a year. And yup the travelers during peak COVID were making 10k a week. Now they still make enough to clear 5-6k.

Doesn't happen? You must not know many travelers then.

You couldn't pay me 500k to live in that cesspool again. Bet you love your taxes too. 

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On 12/12/2022 at 3:08 AM, Numenor said:

... odd flexing and the literally only zip code that pays NPs that much. Cool story bro. Your 1.6 million would get an average home in my city and NPs here make on average 100-130k a year. And yup the travelers during peak COVID were making 10k a week. Now they still make enough to clear 5-6k.

Doesn't happen? You must not know many travelers then.

You couldn't pay me 500k to live in that cesspool again. Bet you love your taxes too. 

During peak Covid, a once in a lifetime event, people were paid a high amount for few months.  The contracts at that time were around 5,000 a week working 12 hour shifts as a 1099 employee. Those contracts are between 3000 to 3,500 a week now. I know this, because I worked in 5 states.

My pay as a permanent staff nurse where I live in California was 154 annually as a W2 employee with full benefits. NO traveler makes that.

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On 12/12/2022 at 9:31 AM, ChrisHanson said:

During peak Covid, a once in a lifetime event, people were paid a high amount for few months.  The contracts at that time were around 5,000 a week working 12 hour shifts as a 1099 employee. Those contracts are between 3000 to 3,500 a week now. I know this, because I worked in 5 states.

My pay as a permanent staff nurse where I live in California was 154 annually as a W2 employee with full benefits. NO traveler makes that.

LOL. I definitely know what market rate is because I have access to the numbers and contracts. You have no idea what you are talking about as evidenced by you continuing to ignore what 99% of NPs make in zip codes not SC county.

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On 12/10/2022 at 9:08 AM, ChrisHanson said:

Physicians and NPs are the same.

Travel nurses do not make as much as NPs.

This is what NPs make in Santa Clara county.

https://files.sccgov.org/bc-entesa/basic_salary_plan.pdf

All NPs make around this amount in the Northern California Bay Area.

 

There are very good NPs out there and not so great doctors but to say an NP is the same as a physician is just not true.

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18 hours ago, Tegridy said:

There are very good NPs out there and not so great doctors but to say an NP is the same as a physician is just not true.

But they are. They are at a much higher level than PAs who do not have independent scope, and they are at the same level as DOs and MDs.

Those are the facts, not feelings. 

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On 12/13/2022 at 1:48 PM, Numenor said:

LOL. I definitely know what market rate is because I have access to the numbers and contracts. You have no idea what you are talking about as evidenced by you continuing to ignore what 99% of NPs make in zip codes not SC county.

Good, then you know. You should look at the BLS and look at the highest-paid areas in the US for Registered Nurses and then look at the salaries for the county jobs. In a few weeks, all salaries in California will be made public. All of these assumptions can stop and everyone can move on. Thing is, you guys talk out of jealousy. I had a CNA tell me that she did the exact same work as I did as an RN. She despised new RNs. That's on her. If you want to make money, enroll in NP school, and get it going. Or be an MD or DO. It's the same thing, but do something.  

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