Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

healingtouchRN · Jul 12, 2008

For those ney-sayers, do a little research. Read the works of Dr Barbara Brennan, Dr Valerie Hunt, Dr Carolyn Myss, Dr Deloris Kreger, Dr Herbert Benson, Dr Barbara Dossey, Dr Larry Dossey, Janet Mentgen, RN, Dr Erminia Guarneri, Rauni King, RN, Dr Victoria Slater, & Dr Candice Pert, Dr Martha Rogers; just to rattle off a few. These are pioneers in the field of energy medicine and required reading for those in Healing Touch Program training.

Everything has an energy field. It has nothing to do with belief. It just is. Just because someone is embarrased by talking about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Be forward in your thinking-non judgemental & you can really learn about something. If someone had told me 20 years ago I would have a board certification as a Healing Touch Practitioner, and working on a Master's in Natural Wellness, I would have said "do what?". Experience & Patience is the best teacher. Read, open your mind. Better yet, make an appointment & have a go at it. :twocents:

talaxandra · Jul 12, 2008

healingtouchRN said:
Everything has an energy field. It has nothing to do with belief. It just is. Just because someone is embarrased by talking about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Speaking as one of those who have expressed embarassment at the NANDA diagnosis of disturbed energy field, a nay-sayer, if you will: it's not that I'm discomforted by talking about the concept. Rather I feel embarassed as a member of the nursing profession that something so unquantifiable, unmeasurable, as ephemeral as an energy field is included in a list of potential and actual problems, alongside such practical, measurable issues as wound care and pain management.

My discomfort is two-fold. The first is, as I mentioned, that this condition is not measurable or quantifiable, by anyone. Wounds have a cause, can be described, have proven interventions, and progress toward healing can be consistently and objectively evaluated and recorded. Pain can be quantified and described, and interventions (from analgesia to distraction therapy) can be trialled, evaluated and tweaked. Energy fields cannot be measured, visualised or recorded, and any interventions cannot be evaluated.

The second reason is that energy field therapies are still very much in the alternative fringe; while conventional medicine is beginning to investigate and evaluate some other complementary therapies, this falls more into the homeopathy and shark cartilage for cancer treatment. When other kinds of untested treatments (like experimental medications) are used, patients are informed that this is the case, and they are closely monitored. And there is certainly controversy around the validity off energy field therapies, and about the qualifications of some of its proponents, particularly Caroline Myss, who "claims to hold a Ph.D. in 'intuition and energy medicine', but the degree was granted by Greenwich University, a now-defunct correspondence school that was never accredited to deliver higher education awards by any recognized government accreditation authority." (Wikipedia)

Just because there are people who aren't embarassed talking about it doesn't mean it does exist.

holiday2525 · Jul 13, 2008

We don't really understand how accupuncture works. Yet in works. many studies support its use. It works on animals - who don't tend to have a placebo effect. By the way, there is a youtube video about a kung fu master who can light a light bulb with his renergy field. It is not rigged and it is not a scam. Just becuase we can't quantify something does not mean it does not exist. :yeah:

suanna · Jul 13, 2008

holiday2525 said:
We don't really understand how accupuncture works. Yet in works. many studies support its use. It works on animals - who don't tend to have a placebo effect. By the way, there is a youtube video about a kung fu master who can light a light bulb with his renergy field. It is not rigged and it is not a scam. Just becuase we can't quantify something does not mean it does not exist.

Oh- if it was on you-tube it has to be true! There is some great videos of people bending forks with thier minds too. With a little effort I bet I can find a video of someones "aura" but until someone can tell me what is does, how it is measured, how it is treated and what my measurable goals are- it's not science. If I am admitted to the hospital and you notice me glowing funny colors- don't document how bright my aura is-call my doctor and then radiology!!! As far as accupuncture, yes we do have some understanding of its mechanism. The stimulation of the nervous system resulting in altered levels of neurotransmitters can be theraputic for a number of problems. Is accupuncture opening my Chi and allowing my internal energy to flow freely?-Don't know, but it does effect the nervous system and the biochemical balance in systems regulated by it. I don't say "energy fields" don't exist- I just don't think they belong in a health care problem list.

hypocaffeinemia, BSN, RN · Jul 13, 2008

There's an invisible dragon living in my garage. I can definitely tell you it isn't a scam or imagined.

Prove I'm wrong.

Noryn · Jul 13, 2008

This perplexes me, my honest first impression is to roll my eyes but I am beginning to feel that we are not as advanced in our knowledge of the human body or diseases as we think we are. There is more that we don't know in regards to how the body functions as opposed to what we do know. Despite "the advances being made" we still cannot cure many common conditions such as diabetes or COPD. We can simply attempt to control. I admit there has been some awesome advances such as organ transplantation, vaccinations and antibiotics but still how often do we change our interventions and practice?

So how many doctors laugh at this that prescribed Vytorin? I think there are components to health and wellness that arent currently known about or able to be measured. I think alternative medicine does have a place.

But to give Western medicine its due what are the life expectancy statistics in those who are treated by this as opposed to populations who depend entirely on alternative or shamanistic practices?

zenman · Jul 15, 2008

methylene said:
There's an invisible dragon living in my garage. I can definitely tell you it isn't a scam or imagined.
Prove I'm wrong.

We feel love but prove it exists.

This morning I came out of the Amazon jungle after nine days working with two shamans. Immediately prior to entering the jungle I spent twelve days with Qéro shamans in the Sacred Valley outside Cusco.

I´m just going to let yall wonder what I experienced, lol!

Noryn · Jul 15, 2008

zenman said:
We feel love but prove it exists.
This morning I came out of the Amazon jungle after nine days working with two shamans. Immediately prior to entering the jungle I spent twelve days with Qéro shamans in the Sacred Valley outside Cusco.
I´m just going to let yall wonder what I experienced, lol!

How is their life expectancy compared to ours?

hypocaffeinemia, BSN, RN · Jul 16, 2008

zenman said:
We feel love but prove it exists.

Burden of proof.

I'm not the one arguing love is some separate and distinct concept that exists in the ether.

I'll be the guy arguing what we describe as love is the effects of social bonding from millions of years of evolution.

talaxandra · Jul 16, 2008

zenman said:
This morning I came out of the Amazon jungle after nine days working with two shamans. Immediately prior to entering the jungle I spent twelve days with Qéro shamans in the Sacred Valley outside Cusco.

And that's my other concern - if energy fields do exist, and can be manipulated by yogis, shamans and the like, who've devoted their lives to meditation, contemplation and biocontrol, isn't it amazingly insulting to think that pretty much anyone can do it with just a short instruction course?

zenman · Jul 22, 2008

Noryn said:
How is their life expectancy compared to ours?

Alberto Villoldo is my primary teacher. His teacher a Q'ero Indian named Don Manuel died a few years short of 100...97 I think it was.

In the Amazon, Alberto Torres Davila started training at the age of 8 and is now 50. His teacher, Julio Llerena Pinedo died of a stroke at 83.

zenman · Jul 22, 2008

talaxandra said:
And that's my other concern - if energy fields do exist, and can be manipulated by yogis, shamans and the like, who've devoted their lives to meditation, contemplation and biocontrol, isn't it amazingly insulting to think that pretty much anyone can do it with just a short instruction course?

Two of the 12 Q'ero Indians had only been training for 12 years. They were not allowed to do any healing ceremonies yet!

On the other hand, Hamilton Souther (in the Amazon) was given the title of Master Shaman after a year and a half but his circumstances and training were different and he is the real deal.

But weekend workshops and ego do not make for a good outcome.