Flu shot issue

[coolpeach]

I get a flu shot every year without any problem, and took a flu shot at work this week. This flu shot hurt a lot. It burned going in, and literally made my eyes tear up. Usually it doesn't hurt at all. I work nights, and went home and to bed right after. When I woke up the area was very swollen, red, hot to touch, and very sore. I took two Tylenol and went to work thinking the new H1N1 made it hurt worse, and it would get better.

By the next morning I felt feverish, my throat was so sore I could barely swallow my own secretions, and I was having periods of dizziness. I would be sitting there charting and suddenly feel as if the room had spun sideways. I made it through the night, and went home to bed. I woke up and my throat was better, but I had nausea, a headache, and was achy all over. I was off for the night so I went back to bed, and had a really rough night. I would be cold, but wake up wet with sweat so I think I was sweating off a fever.

When I got up I had hives all over me 16 total (back, buttocks, and sides). Since I have been up I have two more appear. I am still have a headache, feel achy, and feel feverish even though it shows my temp is normal.

I called into work tonight, and plan on seeing the Dr in the morning.

This year my hospital REQUIRED us to get the flu vaccine, paid for it, and administered it. If this is indeed a reaction can they consider my call in an occurrence, or would it fall under the workers comp plan as a work related situation?

[belgarion]

Got mine the other night. I was real glad I was off the next three nights. My arm was so sore I could hardly lift it. No rash, but the site was rock hard, swollen, and hot. I don't usually react well to any kind of vaccines but this one seemed to be special.

[sunnycalifRN]

Wow, little did I realize it was modern day Nazi Germany for my American neighbours!

From what I understand, Obama's administration will only strongly recommend that Americans get the flu shot, but put pressure on employers to come up with their own "mandatory regulations". It is illegal to force medical services or force consent on someone, regardless of corporate policy.

That would mean any employee who suffers even the slightest vaccine related reaction could theoretically sue the snot out of them.

What's next... human embedded RFID chips? Employee number tattoos? Now just roll up your sleeve and do as you're told.

So much for land of the free and home of the brave.

Aren't we be a little over-dramatic?? There are mandatory vaccinations when you enter the armed forces, no, not the Nazi army, the US armed forces!! I realize that some people are *absolutely certain* that vaccination is a Communist plot to kill everyone . . . . it's a good thing our pharmaceutical companies are so inept!!!

[OttawaRPN]

There is no forcing, you do enjoy that melodrama....Nazi Germany? Really? Way to minimize a horrible moment in history.

Getting vaccinated is a condition of employment, not a condition of living in the country. A person always has the option of working someplace else.

No forcing? Yet told "get this controversial vaccine jabbed into your arm or else... You're Fired." ... a la Donald Trump.

Oh no, not forcing at all.

Sure, if heavy doses of propaganda, along with social and economic coercion disguised as freedom of choice works for you... hey, have at it.

The last thing I'll say on the matter is that I'm especially thankful to be a born and bred Canadian. :redbeathe

[CuriousMe]

No forcing? Yet told "get this controversial vaccine jabbed into your arm or else... You're Fired." ... a la Donald Trump.

Oh no, not forcing at all.

Sure, if heavy doses of propaganda, along with social and economic coercion disguised as freedom of choice works for you... hey, have at it.

The last thing I'll say on the matter is that I'm especially thankful to be a born and bred Canadian. :redbeathe

We found something to agree on, I'm especially glad that you're born and bred Canadian as well.

I'll stick to science instead of overly melodramatic propaganda.

[CaLLaCoDe, BSN, RN]

Yes, one has the right to refuse a flu shot, sign a waver.

Some things to consider:

1. Lack of Scientific Support for Vaccination

There is no significant scientific agreement, based upon disinterested clinical trials, that any vaccine is either safe or effective despite massive dis-information to the contrary. Science contrary to the prevailing pro-vaccine myths abound. For example, see Geier DA, King PG, Geier MR. Influenza Vaccine: Review of effectiveness of the U.S. immunization program and policy considerations, J American Physicians and Surgeons 2006 Fall; 11(3): 69-74 which clearly shows that the flu vaccine has no effect.

Despite frequent references to it, there is, in fact, no such thing as “herd immunity”: if vaccines worked, the vaccinated would be at no risk from those who choose to forgo any particular assault on their immune systems. It is not the unvaccinated who are a threat to the vaccinated, but, since some of the vaccinated shed infective viral particles, it is the vaccinated who are a threat to the unvaccinated.

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=7004

Take the flu shot or you're fired!

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/take-the-swine-flu-vaccine-or-youre-fired

[CuriousMe]

Yes, one has the right to refuse a flu shot, sign a waver.

Some things to consider:

1. Lack of Scientific Support for Vaccination

There is no significant scientific agreement, based upon disinterested clinical trials, that any vaccine is either safe or effective despite massive dis-information to the contrary. Science contrary to the prevailing pro-vaccine myths abound. For example, see Geier DA, King PG, Geier MR. Influenza Vaccine: Review of effectiveness of the U.S. immunization program and policy considerations, J American Physicians and Surgeons 2006 Fall; 11(3): 69-74 which clearly shows that the flu vaccine has no effect.

Despite frequent references to it, there is, in fact, no such thing as "herd immunity": if vaccines worked, the vaccinated would be at no risk from those who choose to forgo any particular assault on their immune systems. It is not the unvaccinated who are a threat to the vaccinated, but, since some of the vaccinated shed infective viral particles, it is the vaccinated who are a threat to the unvaccinated.

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=7004

Take the flu shot or you're fired!

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/take-the-swine-flu-vaccine-or-youre-fired

This is who wrote your article....yeah, no ax to grind here:uhoh3:

David A. Geier, B.A., is Vice-President, The Institute for Chronic Illnesses,

Silver Spring, MD 20905.

Paul G. King, Ph.D is the founder of Facility

Automation Management Engineering (F.A.M.E.) Systems, 33A Hoffman

Avenue, Lake Hiawatha, NJ 07034.

Paul G. King's self described credentials from his web site (http://dr-king.com/):

Analytical chemist with excellent written and verbal skills as well as in-depth understanding of chemistry, pharmaceutics and all facets of the industry {CGMP; GLP; GAMP; ISO 9000; TQM; Commissioning; Qualification; Validation; mission, vision and values statements; general policies; standard operating procedures (ìSOPsî); design, development and validation of test methods, equipment, processes, and supplies; scheduling; staffing and training; materials definition; methods; and systems management}.

MarkR. Geier, M.D., Ph.D. is President,

The Genetic Centers of America. Contact: Dr. Mark Geier, 14 Redgate Ct.,

Silver Spring, MD 20905. Telephone: [phone]. Fax: [phone].

Potential Conflict of Interest: David A. Geier has been a consultant in

cases involving vaccines before the no-fault National Vaccine Injury

Compensation Program (NVICP) and in civil litigation. Paul G. King has no

conflicts of interest. Mark R. Geier has been a consultant and expert witness

in cases involving vaccines before the no-fault NVICP and in civil litigation.

You'll forgive me if I don't take these gentlemen's words over the entire CDC.

[Ayvah, RN]

Yes, one has the right to refuse a flu shot, sign a waver.

Some things to consider:

1. Lack of Scientific Support for Vaccination

There is no significant scientific agreement, based upon disinterested clinical trials, that any vaccine is either safe or effective despite massive dis-information to the contrary. Science contrary to the prevailing pro-vaccine myths abound. For example, see Geier DA, King PG, Geier MR. Influenza Vaccine: Review of effectiveness of the U.S. immunization program and policy considerations, J American Physicians and Surgeons 2006 Fall; 11(3): 69-74 which clearly shows that the flu vaccine has no effect.

Despite frequent references to it, there is, in fact, no such thing as "herd immunity": if vaccines worked, the vaccinated would be at no risk from those who choose to forgo any particular assault on their immune systems. It is not the unvaccinated who are a threat to the vaccinated, but, since some of the vaccinated shed infective viral particles, it is the vaccinated who are a threat to the unvaccinated.

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=7004

Take the flu shot or you're fired!

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/take-the-swine-flu-vaccine-or-youre-fired

I was wondering why it was so difficult to find information about that article and the journal, and then I finally looked into the group that runs it

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Once I read that the journal disagrees that HIV causes AIDS, that had me sold on their rigorous standards and accurate reporting.

That 'journal' is listed on Quackwatch.

Personally I'm going to stick with organizations that this journal disagrees with, such as the World Health Organization.

[Faeriewand, ASN, RN]

Everyone at my work who got the flu shot this year said it really hurt afterwards for about a week. Me too.

[coolpeach]

As the starter of this thread I would like to chime in on my position here.

I am an avid supporter of vaccinations. I am up to date on all my shots, and my kiddos are up to date on all their shots. If you look at before vaccines and after we have come a long way baby. I would hate to go back to a world without vaccinations.

As with anything crap happens, and in this situation it happened to me. The rest of my family also got the vaccine without even so much as a sore arm. It just so happened that something in a new component doesn't agree with me. I still support vaccinations.

I am not sure how I feel about government/employers/schools mandating them. This is what I am thinking. If I get my kids shots, but another parent doesn't vaccinate their children. If those unvaccinated children get sick and come in contact with my children aren't my children protected from the illness because they got the vaccine. Isn't that kind of the point. If it doesn't work that way then it makes me question why I am getting it to start with. If it does work that way then the only people at real risk are those who didn't get vaccinated, and then it was their choice so be it.

As far as the hospital goes...we do have patients who are have immune system issues, and/or cannot get the shot so they may not have a choice. Therefor I can see a need to mandate. On the other hand its a slippery slope that scares me.

[gaveup]

hmm, had the same reaction this time. No pain with the injection, but later, arm was aching something awful. I always get the flu shot and this is the first time I've had a reaction. I started getting sick the next day.....sore throat, night sweats, headaches and earaches. I assumed this may have been a coincidence, but maybe not! Good luck at the docs. Curious to see what he says.

[Code_VSA]

Oh my goodness. Thank you for all the posts. It just confirms my fears over and over again.

I will be 55 this year. I have never had the flu shot. I have never had the flu.

I thought for sure I would get it last year working out in Triage with everybody coughing on me.

I don't trust the government or the drug companies. If you want some facts and dates where they have "experimented" on the American people, let me know. I'll post it.

Sorry for all the pain and discomfort everybody felt. And, it is very scary when your employer "makes" you get something that can hurt you.

[KaTers419]

This happens to me after I get the shot minus the getting sick part. After my charge nurse gave me the shot I began having a reaction. She tole me it was a localized allergic reaction, the same thing happens tonme when I get my yearly tb test.