Published Jun 28, 2010
could someone please tell me the difference in the type of work enrolled nurses do to registered nurses
ceridwyn
1,787 Posts
Yes, you would most likely get EN- not that I work for the National Board, and you would most likely get credits in a Bachelor of Nursing, though it would cost you dearly....would it not be better to get nursing degree in the states first? then there would be no probs when going back home at anytime.
Scooby-Dooby-Doo
511 Posts
Thanks ceridwyn.
Yes, I have also thought about doing nursing in the states too but I'm dealing with a family problem and might move if worse comes, so there are factors that are somewhat forcing me to make plans just in case or what not. My first priority is to really be an RN some how a step at a time, so my LPN course is a stepping stone. It's just hard when you've other life factors that interrupt you.
Thanks again for the information, very helpful; and if there might be anything else that you think that I might need to know, please feel free to post.
Thanks!
talaxandra
3,037 Posts
While there is, at first glance, little difference in the care EN's and RN's are able to provide at a beginner level, there's considerable difference in their scopes of practice down the track, particularly when it comes to potential for career advancement and moving from the bedside at some point - unless you want to stay at the bedside for your entire career, not because you choose to but because that's the only avenue available to you, becoming an RN is worth the effort, time and money.
angel_bear_4670
6 Posts
Hey all
I am currently an EEN in Queensland Australia. I rec'd my Diploma of Nursing from TAFE 2 years ago. I signed up for University at the beginning of this year.
The RN Degree in Queensland is 3 years. I have been RPL'ed (recognition of prior Learning) for the first 12 months of the Bachelor of Nursing Degree. So I have started Uni as a 2nd year student (good points/bad points). Currently half way through this year ... *phew*.
I can still practice as an EEN (as is my paid role) until such time, I complete my Uni Degree. Once I complete at, I will be an RN. I am NOT permitted to bounce between levels.
Hope this gives you a bit of an idea.
Cheers
Sally
Fiona59
8,343 Posts
Its becoming very little difference especially now that they will gain a Diploma in Nursing after 12 months course, I may be wrong on what length the course now is but here locally it is 12 months and get a diploma.Now in reality the only difference is since National registration they are now again all called EN's not RN Divison 2 in Victoria anyway and no HECS debt.RN large HECS debt.Oh and pay, one EN told me she was getting about $12 less an hour than me so had a right to pick and choose patients....but then I am the one with the HECS debt and degree. Don't get me wrong love working with EN's but it is not my problem, It is political now, nurses trained quickly, paid less, doing exactly same as RN.
Now in reality the only difference is since National registration they are now again all called EN's not RN Divison 2 in Victoria anyway and no HECS debt.
RN large HECS debt.
Oh and pay, one EN told me she was getting about $12 less an hour than me so had a right to pick and choose patients....but then I am the one with the HECS debt and degree. Don't get me wrong love working with EN's but it is not my problem, It is political now, nurses trained quickly, paid less, doing exactly same as RN.
You have so hit the nail on the head with your last paragraph. Here in Canada, the PN diploma is a two year course. We make around $12/hr less than an RN. On surgical units, the difference in scope of practice is constantly narrowing. As it is, at this moment, an LPN cannot pierce a blood or travisol bag. We can monitor and stop those substance infusing but not attach the initial bag. PICC care is within our scope. Factor in how few patients require a PICC, transfusion, or TPN on the average unit and you can see the reason for dissatisfaction between the two nurses.
Oh, and Australia, would you please come and take Dr. (not medicine) Stephen Duckitt home??? He's such a kangaroo dropping.
I am earning approx $24ph as an Endorsed enrolled Nurse. RN's I work with, depending on their level earn $5+ ph more than me (Eg: level 2 is closer to $15ph more than me, but a Level 1, Grade 1 (new new RN) only earn's about $5 more as far as I can tell.
As an EEN, I carry a full load of patients, but this is the policy of my ward in my hospital. Other wards do team nursing (yuck). I personally prefer my own load. The only thing I can't do is IVAB's or bloods, but I can monitor everything and report back to the RN.
However, I was under the impression that "there isn't a lot of difference between EEN's and RN's" but now I'm doing the Degree .. yes there is. RN's need to know much more in depth, where EEN's are simply there for observation: Eg: I know his BP is elevated and his pulse is flying .. but I don't know why ...---> report to RN ~ But now, even as a Student RN I have learnt the difference between AF and Tachycardia .. get it?? I can actually identify different heart rhythms, whereas as an EEN, I could guess when something was wrong and report it to the RN. It's not just a matter of mixing and administrating a drug, it's what that drug is going to do to my patient so I can help educate that patient.
There may not be much difference on the surface .. but scratch it a little and you will see huge differences.
Oh and who is Dr. (not medicine) Stephen Duckitt??
Dr. Duckitt is a slash and burn economist out to 'revamp" Alberta's provincial healthcare programme on Australian lines. Ask some of your older coworkers about him. He managed to tick off nurses there before coming here.
The pharmacology course that PN students take here is in depth and we know why we are giving the meds, not just how to mix them. We also have PNs who work Cardiology and are quite specialized in the the heart. Just as our Dialysis PNs take the same post grad course as RNs who work in Dialysis. Ditto on our OR specialists. The difference in the education comes down to a "supervisory management" course in the post grad content.
sounds similar'ish ...
And I'm thinking of relocating to Alberta *one day* ......
ma_82
17 Posts
I got having same dilemma with Solidus Snake. I'm here in Singapore and dying to leave and work in OZ. I'm an EN and wants to be RN. I already heard about bridging course and willing to take the risks. The thing is that how long is the course? If I will wait it takes another 2 years cause they need at least 2 years experience as part of the requirements .
I appreciate very much all your suggestions.
i.kristianmark
19 Posts
This site is very informative. I am really learning a lot. Thanks guys.