Did this nurse behave unethically?

[subee]

What do nurses think about this nurse reporting on this patient who was indicted  for manslaughter? She was eventually exonerated on charges.   I think she should be reported to the Ohio BON for a violation of patient privacy.  

[chare]

lifelearningrn said:

It's disgusting. The fact that they sent her home three times, then she gets arrested? She wasn't grieving appropriately? This country has real issues. 

Did they send her home on the two visits prior to her delivering at home?  Or, did she leave against medical advice?

[toomuchbaloney]

chare said:

Did they send her home on the two visits prior to her delivering at home?  Or, did she leave against medical advice?

She left against medical advice when they wouldn't help her because of the confusion about the Ohio laws. Do you suppose that justifies this scenario and arrest, is that why you asked? The hospital care was terrible, focused upon their legal liability rather than the needs of the patient.  That is expected with these government attempts to control women's reproductive health choices by conservatives.  Talk about weaponization.  

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brittany-watts-the-ohio-woman-charged-with-a-felony-after-a-miscarriage-talks-shock-of-her-arrest/

[chare]

toomuchbaloney said:

She left against medical advice when they wouldn't help her because of the confusion about the Ohio laws. ...

Wouldn't help her?  

Quote

[...]

A note from the clinical ethics committee consultation, issued around 3:30 p.m. local time, reads in part, "Extensive conversation with [REDACTED] re: staff concerns about Brittany's verbalization to staff that she wishes to terminate the pregnancy and continues to mention she feels strongly that she is getting or consenting to an abortion. To clarify, ethics supports induction of this patient if it is the professional judgment of the physicians that Brittany is at high risk of bleeding and or serious infection that could lead to death. To be clear with Brittany, if induction occurs, there should be a well documented conversation with her (informed consent) that the procedure is only to prevent harm to her, and is not intended to terminate a potentially viable pregnancy."

[...]

Records also show there was a flurry of calls to the ethics committee around 6 p.m. local time to try to iron out any remaining issues. But by 6:40 p.m., Watts had become frustrated, and told a nurse that she could be waiting at home instead. The nurse told her they were awaiting only had one more call, but Watts had had enough.

[...]

While I agree they were moving cautiously, it appears that Mercy Health was prepared to induce.

toomuchbaloney said:

Do you suppose that justifies this scenario and arrest, is that why you asked?

As she was arrested for felony abuse of a corpse, not trying to obtain an abortion.  Had she not tried to flush it down the toilet, she wouldn't have been arrested.  And remember that the grand jury failed to indict.

As for my question, as the information in the post I quoted was incorrect, I asked for clarification.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

chare said:

Wouldn't help her?  

While I agree they were moving cautiously, it appears that Mercy Health was prepared to induce.

As she was arrested for felony abuse of a corpse, not trying to obtain an abortion.  Had she not tried to flush it down the toilet, she wouldn't have been arrested.  And remember that the grand jury failed to indict.

As for my question, as the information in the post I quoted was incorrect, I asked for clarification.

According to the news clip I posted originally, she was turned in by a nurse.  It's true that we don't know what the nurse's complaint was.  

[toomuchbaloney]

chare said:

Wouldn't help her?  

While I agree they were moving cautiously, it appears that Mercy Health was prepared to induce.

As she was arrested for felony abuse of a corpse, not trying to obtain an abortion.  Had she not tried to flush it down the toilet, she wouldn't have been arrested.  And remember that the grand jury failed to indict.

As for my question, as the information in the post I quoted was incorrect, I asked for clarification.

Right, felony abuse of a corpse because the abortion was spontaneous, otherwise that would have been the crime. 

She felt they weren't helping her and she left.  Whether or not you or I may believe (after the fact) that they were prepared to help, the reality is that their intentions weren't clearly communicated to their patient. So she left.   And then, after she had the expected abortion at home, they called the police on her.  

Conservative utopia.  

[toomuchbaloney]

I bet the hospital will send her bills too. She'll certainly have out of pocket costs for the time spent in the hospital when they weren't following standard procedures because of the right wing extremist abortion laws.  The hospital will surely want their payment for the government centered care they provided her.  

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

lifelearningrn said:

It's disgusting. The fact that they sent her home three times, then she gets arrested? She wasn't grieving appropriately? This country has real issues. 

Where's the Ohio BON in all of this?

[toomuchbaloney]

subee said:

Where's the Ohio BON in all of this?

The nurse followed the law.  This is what conservatives in Ohio want.  

[chare]

toomuchbaloney said:

... And then, after she had the expected abortion at home, they called the police on her.  

[...]

As far as I'm aware, the reason the police where called is not known.  And your statement that the police were called "after she had the expected abortion at home" is nothing more than supposition on your part.

toomuchbaloney said:

The nurse followed the law.  This is what conservatives in Ohio want.  

Which law, exactly, did she follow?

[toomuchbaloney]

chare said:

As far as I'm aware, the reason the police where called is not known.  And your statement that the police were called "after she had the expected abortion at home" is nothing more than supposition on your part.

Which law, exactly, did she follow?

Supposition based upon experience and data.  Did someone think that abortion wasn't going to be the outcome of that tragic set of circumstances?

The nurse followed all of the laws. The nurse broke no laws by sending the police to the home to recover the contents of abortion; the fetus.  The prosecutor was well within the law to prosecute the woman for abuse of a corpse. Apparently he felt like he had no choice for a bit.  Why would he have no choice?

I wonder if that what he thought the conservatives in his state wanted him to prosecute her?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/27/brittany-watts-miscarriage-grand-jury/

[floydnightingale]

chare said:

Brittany Watts, Ohio woman charged with felony after miscarriage

And something other than a photo of the first paragraph of an article would be helpful.

And a sideways photo at that. 

Sorry to digress but what's with these emails with pictures that literally take up three or more pages worth of space which has to scrolled through? Is it just a problem with Chrome or do you need to fire your web admin?

[nightwingcreations, CNA, LPN]

"The nurse broke no laws by sending the police to the home to recover the contents of abortion; the fetus. " Really? Would it not be a HIPAA violation to tell the police that a patient had a MISCARRIAGE????? Also do you believe that someone goes around collecting the remains from all the miscarriages women have? Evidently every woman who has flushed or otherwise disposed of a miscarriage should be charged with a crime now? This country is going to hell  in a hand basket. ?