Denied for Three Jobs? NEED HELP~

NurseLatteDNP, MSN, DNP, RN · Aug 23, 2006

I can just tell you not to give up. You have worked hard for your licence, maybe you can call the nurse manager and ask if there was something you did or said, that made them not pick you. That way you can take that experience to the next interview.

Bala Shark · Aug 23, 2006

Hello,
I am a minority male nurse that applied for a job in a pred. white area with the minority population being (3%), I applied in NICU, Peds and PICU, All new grad internships, and I didn't get offers for either of the three jobs. I interviewed well, and the managers all told me they were impressed, one even told me she was sure that I would get an offer. After that One nurse manager invited me back to work with one of her nurses, then I did a shadow in another unit. I can't believe that people would pretend that you did really well, and know in their minds that they aren't going to hire you? Can anyone help me as to why they think I may have not gotten any of these three positions?
Devastated!

Well you got one out of the three..The one that selected you, it did not work out but hey it is not too bad..Just keep on trying and you will employed

Demonsthenes · Aug 23, 2006

I am a caucasian male R.N.. I have witnessed discrimination against several minority men in the health care professions because of their gender. This includes nursing. I know that the various state and federal agencies are delegated the responsibility of addressing this type of unjust discrimination. I can only assume that this unjust discrimination is primarily based upon gender.

Best of luck in your endeavors. I hope that, at some point, all men in nursing have the same aggressive advantages in employment and protections against discrimination in employment that women have in the traditional male fields.

hoyt69 · Aug 23, 2006

You are not losing jobs because you are a minority or because you are a male. It's because they found an applicant that they wanted more.

Pachinko · Aug 23, 2006

I don't think there's any definitive way of saying that it wasn't racism. That said, I did notice that 2 or your 3 interviews took place on advanced care/ICU floors. I just graduated, and some people are having difficulty finding jobs in more advanced areas. Some hospitals also prefer med-surg experience before working in peds.

I'm really sorry you're going through this.

Jolie, BSN · Aug 23, 2006

I can only assume that this unjust discrimination is primarily based upon gender.

Why can you only assume that "this unjust discrimination is primarily based upon gender"?

First of all, we have no knowledge that ANY unjust discrimination has taken place. It is entirely possible that the jobs were offered to more qualified candidates, either male, female, white, African American, Hispanic, young, old, or other.

Maybe other candidates had prior experience. Maybe other candidates had student internships in related fields. Maybe other candidates had tuition payment agreements with the institution that had to be honored. Maybe other candidates had better references. Maybe other candidates seemed more poised, confident, well-spoken or capable. Maybe other candidates displayed better interview manners, sending follow-up thank you notes. Maybe other candidates got better grades. Maybe other candidates were willing to commit to working more off shifts and holidays. Maybe there were just too many qualified applicants to accept everyone!

There are a million reasons other than race and sex for a candidate to get or not get a job. To assume otherwise is to do a huge disservice to a poster who is seeking useful information on how to improve his odds in obtaining employment.

If the OP has solid information that his lack of employment is due to race or sex discrimination, then he can contact the EEOC for guidance. Otherwise, he will be better served by practicing his interview technique, networking, and moving on.

jb2u, ASN, RN · Aug 23, 2006

Hello,
I am a minority male nurse that applied for a job in a pred. white area with the minority population being (3%), I applied in NICU, Peds and PICU, All new grad internships, and I didn't get offers for either of the three jobs. I interviewed well, and the managers all told me they were impressed, one even told me she was sure that I would get an offer. After that One nurse manager invited me back to work with one of her nurses, then I did a shadow in another unit. I can't believe that people would pretend that you did really well, and know in their minds that they aren't going to hire you? Can anyone help me as to why they think I may have not gotten any of these three positions?
Devastated!

Hello,

I have to agree with Jolie on this one. It is easy to look for "other" reasons for not getting a job instead of realizing that there may have been other more qualified applicants. Besides, you forgot to mention the fact that you are "young." I don't think that was the issue either, but since you mention that you are "male" and "minority", you might as well add "young" as another possible reason.

Through reading several of your previous post. You seemed to be pretty "all over the map." You have a interest in living in a lot of different states. There is NOTHING wrong with that, but to a hiring manager, this may be a problem. Did you show any interest in "moving around (state to state)? This shows a lack of stability for the NM's unit.

Also, keep in mind that you shadowed at one unit and where asked to work with a nurse in another unit. Certainly, if this was about discrimination, they would have smiled and said "ok, we'll let you know if you got the job" and let you walk out the door. They obviously liked something about you, but maybe the next person that came in for an interview was more qualified, a better match, or knew someone that already works there. You also seem to have a passion for L&D. Maybe, the hiring manager picked up on that and thought you were going to use NICU, Peds and PICU as a second choice until you get the "real job you want (OB/GYN).

Also, You were a freshman nursing student of an ADN program in Fall 2005. So, did you already graduate? You stated you applied for "new grad internships." Are you a new grad already? If so, were you in an accelerated ADN program? If not, well then that may be why you didn't qualify for a new grad position.

IMHO, race is rarely that important. To presume that because an area is predominately white means they would discriminate against a minority is offensive. Don't believe everything you hear. America is full of wonderful people that don't "see" race.

I wish you all the best with your career and in life.

Sincerely,

Jay

Demonsthenes · Aug 27, 2006

Without a doubt there is a plethora of evidence that men of what ever race are often discriminated against in nursing.

In one instance a male nursing student of hispanic descent who was honorably discharged from the military documented the horrendous systematic gender discrimination he faced accompanied by an openly systemic demeaning and insulting attitude by his nursing instructors.

He became so depressed and angry about the same that he committed mass murder and massive assaults on his nursing instructors.

I've forgotten his name. However, I remember the incident.

It clearly was unforgiveable on his part and I condemn the same:madface: .

The fact remains that he was provoked.

The fact remains that the sort of gender feminism that is the norm in our society is more prevalent and more aggressive in nursing because of the mere fact that nursing is a female profession. :madface:

leslie :-D · Aug 27, 2006

well holy crap demon!

it's a good damn thing this guy DIDN'T become a nurse.

i can only imagine what he'd do to his pts after a bad shift.

and other than this 1 instance, what "plethora of evidence" are you talking about??

leslie