denial of license

KelRN215, BSN, RN · Jan 14, 2014

Why would the board care how saturated nursing is in their state? It's not like they have to find you a job. They'd be happy to take your money if you met the standards to be an RN in their state. You don't. I have no idea if you can appeal or not.

Meriwhen, ASN, BSN, MSN, RN · Jan 14, 2014

CA has some of the strictest educational requirements of any BON, as tons of foreign grads and Excelsior students will tell you. You could try to appeal this...but honestly, I don't see that going very well.

Not exactly fair, I know. But that's how the CA BRN rolls. If you want a CA license, then you will need to take the courses they require.

I'm also going to move this to the California forum so you can get more California-specific information.

nsvsmith · Jan 14, 2014

As a California resident, I've always understood that out of state nursing licenses won't be recognized without some additional education because of different licensing requirements. It's definitely not due to a saturation of nurses. California does this with many professional licenses though. My father-in-law became a licensed electrician out of state and had to take some additional training before his license would be recognized here. I heard New York is the same way.

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · Jan 14, 2014

Are you an internationally educated nurse?

steppybay · Jan 15, 2014

I am a registered nurse originally licensed in florida. I moved to California and have applied for RN reciprocity but the CABON denied my application citing my education does not meet their standards. they suggested I re-take the OB and med surge course. The issue is not meeting the standards. I believe the real reason behind denials is the overflowing of nurses. Do you think they'd be denying applications if the country is suffering from shortage of nurses?
Well, I want to appeal. but I don't know how to do it or who to contact. ayayay.

You may want to venture into the World Section under the "Nurse Registration" tab. You find the many threads discussing the denial not only into CA, but there are at least 13 other states that's enforcing the missing courses and the concurrency issues, what are those? Look thru the mentioned section and you'll see what I mean.

It's definitely not from oversaturation of nurses. There's no such thing as a "nursing shortage". CA is one of the states with the highest unemploymentrate of new grads alone. There's been another article in the World section, that the US alone will graduate over 1,000,000 new nurses, a supply that way over meets the current demand for the next 8-10 years, including the 100,000 plus retiring, it will still be an oversupply of nurses.

These link attached here will apply to most international student and nurses coming into the states or moving around within the states. Click here on the nursing profession hiring status for internationals coming to a near halt. https://allnurses.com/international-nursing/end-phillipine-nursing-885162.html

You'll find that the denial is happening with in regards to having to re-take those certain courses you stated that the CA BRN considers as deficient under their educational regulations. You cannot substitute decades of paid US working hospital experience to be credited to the BSN degree. Work experience is not the same as the educational background.

It is what it is for at least 25-30 years, read the CA Nursing Practice Act it's very old and applies to any and all nurses, domestic or foreign, so it's not brand new by any means.

You'll find that to re-take these classes in CA is very very limited in terms of schools offering them and then trying to enroll. There's been recent postings that the class size is at least 12, I think one had 30. But the students were from the UK, Russia, some Latin American countries, Phillipines, some other European countries and within that group, it was like 1-2 per country.

I know that those from the Phillipines numbers at least 4,000-5,000 students and nurses that have been declined licensure in CA alone and that there's been only a handful that's gotten their ATT or licenses endorsed since Nov. 2011, the date of the strict CA BRN enforcement of the concurrency rules. This ruling has affected those nurses that graduated from 2005 to present.

There have been a few from the Phils who did appeal their cases but no one was successful in winning so far, you do have one year from the denial date to file the appeal. But it boiled down to complete the deficiencies, it's all black or white, no gray. If you do plan to appeal, you better have your completion paperwork from an approved CA school that meets the deficient course or courses.

Here's one case of someone that appealed to the CA BRN recently, but read very closely in this thread on partly why the CA BRN is cracking down (at least those applying from the PH): https://allnurses.com/nurse-registration/how-appeal-california-845725.html

Some have gone out of state but you better get that in writing from your CA evaluator that they will accept out of state courses or it's a waste of time and money. So that you know exactly what courses are deemed deficient as some have been missing up to 4 different courses, get the CA BRN findings of your courses on what's missing.

Btw, I'm also a PH grad denied in CA.

Jenbean87 · Feb 2, 2014

How long ago did you finish your schooling? I am a recent grad from FL and am going to submit my application for initial license through the CA BRN. I am hoping I don't have any road blocks due to my school. I already have to take extra classes to get into a CSU school to get into a bachelors program.