Nurses at Scripps Encinitas Hospital in San Diego County California have filed a petition to Decertify the California Nurses Association.
The California Nurses Association have made several unsuccessful attempts to strike at the hospital and have failed to garner enough support among staff nurses.
A copy of the petition is available from the National Labor Relations Board or download the petition now at http://www.stopunions.com
The nurse paying $80- $100 a month is working full time making between $40.00 to $50.00 an hour.
I heard the ceiling was raised above $80.00 for full time nurses making more than $40.00 per hour. I am not certain.
I guarantee my dues are woth much more to me because I belong to my professional association as well as having the written rules and guarantees of a contract.
And education. Check my posts in the California forums. I have been sharing what I learned in CNA classes there since the state forums were created.
The funny thing is ... union opponents always focus on union dues but, in reality, you don't actually pay out anymore money in dues.
Because of the more favorable salaries that unions negotiate, union RN's make, on average, $7,000 a year more than non-union RN's, which more than covers the cost of the dues with an added net $6,000 a year salary benefit.
So, you're not actually paying $80-100 a month to say no or, anything else for that matter. What you do get is better salaries, retirement benefits, working conditions and, as you mentioned, job protection.
In reality, Long Beach memorial did not get a better deal with CNA. We lost things. Our educational leave and benefits were better before CNA, we used to float in "clusters" and now our contract says we can float wherever the hospital gives us orientation, the nurses that went on strike lost 12 days pay that can never be recovered and CNA certainly did not pay them, CNA "PROMISED" a defined benefit "pension" retirement and what we have ia a defined contribution (which I think is better anyway) and we make less money than the non union hospitals in our area. CNA can promise whatever they want or think you want to hear, but in reality they can only "get" what the hospital will "give".
This contract is horrible, but CNA signed the deal when they found out we were trying to decertify! Maybe it's different where you are, but don't tell me I'm better off with this representation, because I'm not!!!! It's not all about dues for me, but why should I be forced to pay for something I don't want and don't believe is good or better than I can do for myself.
I wonder how much Spacenurse get paid by CNA? I wonder if she is one of those RNs on the union's LM-2?
I wish the nurses of Scripps Encinitas all the best this Wednesday and Thursday!! Vote NO! CNA is not worth it!!!!
Well, according to the NICU nurses I know who worked at MCH before the union, the wages were terrible before CNA (LBMMC has the same contract don't they?). They were getting paid much less than places like St Mary's, CHOC and HOAG despite having more acute patients to care for. I interviewed in LB, Inglewood, LA, Huntington Beach, and Newport Beach and the wage quoted at LB was in line with the others. Do you have any links to salary info so we could compare the different hospitals in the area?
The nurses that went on strike in the NICU went on a one day walkout and management locked them out for 5, preferring to pay the extra dough to travellers. Judging by the stories I've heard about the relationship between management and staff, I can certainly understand why they voted for the union. If LBMMC isn't happy with CNA, why don't they try to decertify the union too?
Well, according to the NICU nurses I know who worked at MCH before the union, the wages were terrible before CNA (LBMMC has the same contract don't they?). They were getting paid much less than places like St Mary's, CHOC and HOAG despite having more acute patients to care for. I interviewed in LB, Inglewood, LA, Huntington Beach, and Newport Beach and the wage quoted at LB was in line with the others. Do you have any links to salary info so we could compare the different hospitals in the area?
The nurses that went on strike in the NICU went on a one day walkout and management locked them out for 5, preferring to pay the extra dough to travellers. Judging by the stories I've heard about the relationship between management and staff, I can certainly understand why they voted for the union. If LBMMC isn't happy with CNA, why don't they try to decertify the union too?
In order to get replacement nurses for a strike, the hospital had to sign a contract with the company that provides the replacement nurses, The hospital only replaces the RNs that walk out. If you choose not to strike, you are not locked out. But who would pay both an agency and regular staff. The nurses that struck knew they would be locked out for the length of the replacement contract. The choice was that of the striking RNs NOT management.
Last time CNA knew of the attempt, they took great strides to twart the effort.
I can tell you that if Scripps and St. Vs are successful, I'm sure LBM will be right behind them. But once you have a contract (as poor as ours is) the time frames where you can legally file for a decertification vote are very limited. As I said...time will tell
In order to get replacement nurses for a strike, the hospital had to sign a contract with the company that provides the replacement nurses.
Management can cancel travel RNs for low census any time they want, so why not then? That just doesn't ring true with me. Several of the travel nurses were there on full assignments, not just for the walkout so there was no special agreement with any of them either. From what I understand there were several staff nurses that did cross the picket line and none were treated badly for it by those that didn't.
Management can cancel travel RNs for low census any time they want, so why not then? That just doesn't ring true with me. Several of the travel nurses were there on full assignments, not just for the walkout so there was no special agreement with any of them either. From what I understand there were several staff nurses that did cross the picket line and none were treated badly for it by those that didn't.
As I said those who did not strike, did not get locked out. The nurses who chose to strike KNEW they would be locked out ahead of time! It is a normal consequence to striking.
An employer can lock out union employees during contract negotiations without a strike. Our hospital didn't do that, but it is legal, just as strikes are legal.
I have called some of these companies that provide strike coverage and they do negotiate theses contracts and will be paid for those RNs whether they are used or not. Kind of like when my kids were little and I had to pay my daycare provider whether my kidswere there or not.
In reality, Long Beach memorial did not get a better deal with CNA. We lost things. Our educational leave and benefits were better before CNA, we used to float in "clusters" and now our contract says we can float wherever the hospital gives us orientation, the nurses that went on strike lost 12 days pay that can never be recovered and CNA certainly did not pay them, CNA "PROMISED" a defined benefit "pension" retirement and what we have ia a defined contribution (which I think is better anyway) and we make less money than the non union hospitals in our area. CNA can promise whatever they want or think you want to hear, but in reality they can only "get" what the hospital will "give".
This isn't a promise. These are numbers from Bureau of Labor Statistics. Maybe there are a few cases where unions don't do better but, the vast majority of the time they do.
As I previously stated, in 2003 union RN's nationwide made $7,000 a year more, on average than non-union RN's. This in line with 2004 statistics from the BLS, which found that union workers in general make $9,000 a year more than non-union workers.
This is data from the Bush Labor Department. Not speculation. Unions across the board do better.
As I said those who did not strike, did not get locked out. The nurses who chose to strike KNEW they would be locked out ahead of time! It is a normal consequence to striking.
An employer can lock out union employees during contract negotiations without a strike. Our hospital didn't do that, but it is legal, just as strikes are legal.
Yes, they can lock staff out or not do it. The fact that they chose to speaks volumes about their relationship with staff. Like I said, there were travellers there for long term contracts (not just to cover a planned one day walkout) that could have been called off or rescheduled instead of being paid to do overtime while the facility kept staff out for 5 days instead of one. They weren't because management wanted to stick it to the nurses that walked out. They have every right to do that, but there's no point in pretending it was anything other than that.
This isn't a promise. These are numbers from Bureau of Labor Statistics. Maybe there are a few cases where unions don't do better but, the vast majority of the time they do.
As I previously stated, in 2003 union RN's nationwide made $7,000 a year more, on average than non-union RN's. This in line with 2004 statistics from the BLS, which found that union workers in general make $9,000 a year more than non-union workers.
This is data from the Bush Labor Department. Not speculation. Unions across the board do better.
Lizz, I would like to know specifically which hospitals in the area are making so much more money. When I interviewed at several, LB was not paying lower wages than other hospitals. (Now don't get me started on Inglewood though!!!).
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I have called some of these companies that provide strike coverage and they do negotiate theses contracts and will be paid for those RNs whether they are used or not. Kind of like when my kids were little and I had to pay my daycare provider whether my kidswere there or not.
I called a couple of places too. They contracts they negotiated were guaranteed, even if the strike was called off last minute.
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The nurse paying $80- $100 a month is working full time making between $40.00 to $50.00 an hour.
I heard the ceiling was raised above $80.00 for full time nurses making more than $40.00 per hour. I am not certain.
I guarantee my dues are woth much more to me because I belong to my professional association as well as having the written rules and guarantees of a contract.
And education. Check my posts in the California forums. I have been sharing what I learned in CNA classes there since the state forums were created.