Customer Service...........yay or nay?

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Remember going to school and learning the older, crazy approaches to medicine that people used to practice:

Drilling holes in the head to relieve sickness, letting spirits out.

The belief that sickness was a punishment from God and was a direct result of sins.

Civil War doctors who removed limbs the second someone was shot/scrapped in the leg because it avoided infection.

Those are the one's I can recall right at this moment. I know there are more. Today, we are in a stage of major change within our health system. There is a push for "customer service" that was not there before. It is no longer simply something schools/administration talk about, it is expected. Surveys asking if the nurses fetched your AM coffee on time type questions abound. Doctors who talk down to or belittle patients are no longer tolerated by hospital administration. Compensation to facilities can be reduced despite properly caring for the illness because it was not done with a smile.

Do you think this is simply the "vogue" theory of today and will eventually be replaced, or is it truly a push towards a new future in healthcare?

I am undecided TBH. I don't agree with the degree in which the "customer satisfaction" is being made a priority. Its almost as if hospitals would fare better with the general public and the powers that be if we simply stopped treating illness and took on a Bed And Breakfast style of treatment. To this I say "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it." Already I see managers pushing "smile when you enter the room" when they should be concerned with possible med errors and pt's being transferred to their unit who are not appropriate for said unit.

Its almost as if there is this "We need to get paid, times are tough. Just give them what they want" surrender going on with hospitals and facilities. So, what you are telling me is, no problem if a pt. receives another patients meds or is aspirating their own meds..................so long as we smile and make everything happy.

Seems to me some patients should just save themselves the hassle and just to to Denny's or go on vacation. They could get all that at a quarter of the cost.

I don't know if good medical treatment always lends to good customer service. If you've ever worked on a M/S unit with the non-compliant diabetic you know what I mean. They want snacks that don't conform to their diet at all constantly, and are very upset if they are not granted. Then you have the smoker who insists he is SOB because the doctor doesn't know how to order the right inhaler................the COPD has nothing to do with smoking over a pack a day. And we have all seen the pt. who just refused to break out of the sickness "asking for help" role and start doing for themselves. They refuse PT/OT, want everything done for them and are going to end up in a nursing home if they don't get their bottoms out of bed. But, if you tell them they must start being more active in their own ADLs, you are a jaded/bad nurse and the survey scores reflect this.

We are, very frequently, in a position of having to tell the truth, even when said truth is not "nice" or lends itself to "customer service". What benefit are we giving our pt. when we stash the truth in order to earn better survey scores? Yes, in the short term they are very pleased with the quickness in which we fetch the third ice cream they request, but when their foot is amputated..........what do they think of our service to them then? Truth is, if "customer satisfaction" promoted healing, Denny's would have people walking after years of being wheelchair bound and Retail stores would be the place to go for that abd. pain. It doesn't work that way.

Customer service definitely has its place in the healthfield, but not to the degree it is being taken. Who amongst us doesn't know that grouchy, unhappy with EVERYTHING nurse who has been told to act differently with people..........and thinks it was long overdue. I know of two specific doctors who were mandated to take classes to improve their bedside manner (oh, how we all snickered at this). I don't think the expectation of respect and kindness are out of order. But is what we are doing now relative to this? Or are we going to read about ourselves in 20 years in some new nursing book "The customer satisfaction age of medical practice was dollar driven and lead to an increase in foot amputations blah blah.........."

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

I'm proud to say that in fifteen years of working in health care, I have never had a patient complaint. I merely use the Golden Rule in all my dealings with patients and families, and treat them the way I'd want to be treated if I were in their place. Pretty simple.

This does NOT require using a script, attending "customer service" trainings as if I were working at Wally World, or allowing myself to be used as a glorified waitress. I wouldn't work for a hospital or facility that demeans nurses in such a manner. Providing patient care and "customer service" don't have to be an either/or situation; however, it should be understood that the 'customer' isn't always right when it comes to their health, and that we are not there to 'serve'---we are there primarily to make sure they stay alive, and to make them as comfortable as possible using the scientific principles we learned in school, as well as our own common sense....whiich, BTW, isn't something that can be mandated by nursing management and Press-Ganey. Phooey.:rolleyes:

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
the customer service mindset is here to stay. the hospitals are pushing us to get 5's because that does influence people who can choose where they go. especially for elective procedures, which bring in the bg bucks.

i am one of those people who smiles a lot. i'm basically happy cause i woke up and got out of bed under my own power. i do try to make my pts stay in the er as pleasant as i can.

however, if the pt is hindering my ability to care for them by refusing aspects of that care or demanding services as if they were in a restaurant, then i'm not going to bend over backwards to make them happy.

on a side note, it seems to me the nit-picking demanding pts fall into 2 general categories:

- those people who are used to having their own way all the time.

- those people who have little to no control in their day to day existence and now can order someone around.

jmho

i've always though this was the case with a large percentage of my patients. you can just watch when family visits and see that there is a complete lack of communication and respect there. often, the pt. is the one left out in the cold by the dysfunctional family process. they come into the hospital, begin to feel their oates as people jump when they say to and true monsters are created.

i'm proud to say that in fifteen years of working in health care, i have never had a patient complaint. i merely use the golden rule in all my dealings with patients and families, and treat them the way i'd want to be treated if i were in their place. pretty simple.

this does not require using a script, attending "customer service" trainings as if i were working at wally world, or allowing myself to be used as a glorified waitress. i wouldn't work for a hospital or facility that demeans nurses in such a manner. providing patient care and "customer service" don't have to be an either/or situation; however, it should be understood that the 'customer' isn't always right when it comes to their health, and that we are not there to 'serve'---we are there primarily to make sure they stay alive, and to make them as comfortable as possible using the scientific principles we learned in school, as well as our own common sense....whiich, btw, isn't something that can be mandated by nursing management and press-ganey. phooey.:rolleyes:

even retail and restaurants subscribe to this. often, when a customer complains about their food at a restaurant, the first reaction is that they ordered the wrong thing, not that the waitress didn't smile enough. the customer is then directed to choices that may be more pleasing to them (you think this steak is too salty? oh, well, i would suggest one not done in a dry rub, the prime rib would be a better choice for you." somehow, this is completely lost on hospital management. pretending you agree with patients is not service.

Corporate fads are part of healthcare these days.

I can't even call my car fixers without scripting gone wrong: "It is a fatastic, cheery day at the Auto mechanics, this is Cindy, your technician, how may I assist you?"

I remember when "Mission Statements" and "Vision Statements" were all the rage. The extreme customer service ethic is luckily less evident in ICU since most of our patients are total care anyway.

I wonder what the next big thing will be?

Specializes in Med Surg.

Personally when I have been a patient I couldn't stand to see a phony smile or listen to a scripted greeting or closing. After hearing the exact same litany from a dozen different people I'm ready to scream.

This customer service thing has made many managers lose sight of the fact that it's all about taking care of the patients. Sometimes that means doing things the patient doesn't like or refusing a request that could kill them. I want to ask the question "would you rather have a bunch of fives or a bunch of live patients?" I don't ask because I a little bit afraid of the answer I might get.

Specializes in ER.

People are choosing hospitals with good customer service scores because that's what the hospitals are promoting on their websites. I'd like to see hospitals posting useful data, like infection rates, ventilator days per pt, length of stay for common procedures, options for pain control...then maybe the customers would be looking at data that will make a difference in their health.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Tele/Onc.
ima, if you were a nurse, you would understand what we are talking about. we are not talking about just smiling or showing common courtsey. of course we do that. (well most of us) we are talking about the fact that we are being asked to do things for the patient that go against good nursing judgement so they will be happy, and fill out a survey saying how great the place is.

do you understand that it goes against every fiber in a nurses being to give diabetic patients with blood sugars in the 300's a large piece of cake? but they want it, and get mad when they dont get it. and they whine and they say you are a mean nurse. and we get in trouble if we don't get the damn cake.

furthermore, laughing or making fun of a patient on a nursing website for nurses does not mean we are mean, bad people. we come here to vent so we can go back out there and deal with the diabetic woman who wants cake in a professional way.

this doesn't happen at my hospital. i've never been told to give a diabetic patient cake in the name of customer service or anyting similar. that tells me you have non nurses making decisions who shouldn't be.

i'm trying to think of the things management gets on us for....falls, skin breakdown, core measures not being completed. those are the big ones. the kinds of bad surveys they address with us usually deal with patients not getting cleaned up in a timely manor or having to wait too long for bathroom help, pain not being managed, rudeness from staff, things they should be addressing to us. never that we didn't let a copd patient off the floor to smoke, or didn't bring the diabetic a latte at 2:00 in the morning.

my units pg scores were in the 99th percentile last quarter and our manager was praising us right and left. but we had a rash of falls the last couple of weeks and guess what...the email i saw today was about preventing falls (as it should be.)

i guess i'm lucky to be where i am.

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
This doesn't happen at my hospital. I've never been told to give a diabetic patient cake in the name of customer service or anyting similar. That tells me you have non nurses making decisions who shouldn't be.

I'm trying to think of the things management gets on us for....falls, skin breakdown, core measures not being completed. Those are the big ones. The kinds of bad surveys they address with us usually deal with patients not getting cleaned up in a timely manor or having to wait too long for bathroom help, pain not being managed, rudeness from staff, things they SHOULD be addressing to us. Never that we didn't let a COPD patient off the floor to smoke, or didn't bring the diabetic a latte at 2:00 in the morning.

My units PG scores were in the 99th percentile last quarter and our manager was praising us right and left. But we had a rash of falls the last couple of weeks and guess what...the email I saw today was about preventing falls (as it should be.)

I guess I'm lucky to be where I am.

Anybody else see a distinct realtion here? I do.

Specializes in M/S, ICU, ICP.

i think the concept of having one person assigned as a customer service representative is fantastic. that person could carry a basic clipboard with a list of the pts names (and with extra spaces for all their staying over family members). they would need a copy of the patients ordered diet so requests and choices would be offered but within that dietary restriction. the volunteers could do this or pink ladies if not someone specifically hired to do the task. they could fetch pillows, extra blankets, bring juice of choice. the pts should have them available so the customer rep will need a phone and the pts can put the number on speed dial and be able to call their concierge service provider. the person could listen to complaints and take requests and smile their heart out. i think this is a much needed patient care service.

Specializes in Health Information Management.

I am admittedly coming at this with an outsider's POV, but I think many organizations are blurring or even erasing the line between customer service and customer subservience.

In some ways, an emphasis on customer service is a good thing, because who wants to be taken care of by a nurse who doesn't respond to a call light for an hour, allows you to vomit all over yourself despite your repeated requests for a basin and then yells at you for having vomited, or leaves you utterly naked and in restraints for nine minutes in an OR without a word of explanation? Those are all instances I experienced as a patient in which the quality of care needed to be improved. When management puts an emphasis on good customer service and backs it up with carrots and sticks, it makes it clear to employees that customer service is an important issue. (Of course, it usually helps to staff your facility to appropriate levels before trying to enforce a more stringent code of customer service, but that's another debate....)

However, the pendulum has clearly swung into the customer subservience range in many facilities. Expecting nurses to function in essence as personal assistants for their patients in addition to providing medical care is ridiculous and unhealthy. Nurses are there to provide the best health care possible for patients. Sometimes to do that, you have to do things that make people uncomfortable or angry, or cause them pain. Adopting some sort of simplistic "The customer is always right!" approach to healthcare service is unproductive, not to mention flat-out stupid. Sometimes to do the best by their patients, nurses (and doctors) have to p!ss off those patients. Relying on scores from blanket-style, generalized surveys to determine the quality of care being provided is both lazy and ineffective. A more randomized and better-researched customer service review/evaluation process would be far more helpful to everyone.

Just the two cents of a future paper-pusher....

Specializes in Med/Surg/Tele/Onc.

I think you misunderstood me. Yes we occassionally have falls and occassionally have skin breakdown. When this happens, management addresses it with us. This doesn't mean care is suffering because we are focusing on Customer Service instead of turning our patients.

What I was trying to say is I have NEVER seen management tell us to do something that goes against good nursing judgement, not in the name of customer service or in anything else. To use your example, I've never been told to give high sugary foods to a diabetic because they weren't happy. I ran this by another nurse today to see if she can think of any examples of this that she has seen and she said no.

So are you saying all your core measures are always met, you never have skin breakdown or falls, but management is insisting you go against a doctor's diet order in order to please a patient??? Really??

And we get the whole PG Customer service crap too. ("Very Good Care" is the tagline of the month around here.) But I still say they don't tell us to go against our nursing judgement. As a matter of fact, I'd get written up in a heart beat for letting an NPO patient eat if he whined and complained and threatened with a bad survey. I don't think I'd hear a peep from managment if we actually got a bad survey from someone saying "that mean nurse wouldn't let me eat breakfast before my surgery."

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
I am admittedly coming at this with an outsider's POV, but I think many organizations are blurring or even erasing the line between customer service and customer subservience.

In some ways, an emphasis on customer service is a good thing, because who wants to be taken care of by a nurse who doesn't respond to a call light for an hour, allows you to vomit all over yourself despite your repeated requests for a basin and then yells at you for having vomited, or leaves you utterly naked and in restraints for nine minutes in an OR without a word of explanation? Those are all instances I experienced as a patient in which the quality of care needed to be improved. When management puts an emphasis on good customer service and backs it up with carrots and sticks, it makes it clear to employees that customer service is an important issue. (Of course, it usually helps to staff your facility to appropriate levels before trying to enforce a more stringent code of customer service, but that's another debate....)

However, the pendulum has clearly swung into the customer subservience range in many facilities. Expecting nurses to function in essence as personal assistants for their patients in addition to providing medical care is ridiculous and unhealthy. Nurses are there to provide the best health care possible for patients. Sometimes to do that, you have to do things that make people uncomfortable or angry, or cause them pain. Adopting some sort of simplistic "The customer is always right!" approach to healthcare service is unproductive, not to mention flat-out stupid. Sometimes to do the best by their patients, nurses (and doctors) have to p!ss off those patients. Relying on scores from blanket-style, generalized surveys to determine the quality of care being provided is both lazy and ineffective. A more randomized and better-researched customer service review/evaluation process would be far more helpful to everyone.

Just the two cents of a future paper-pusher....

Ah, see. IDK if I consider that a "customer service" thing. I guess it leads to poor customer service when a nurse acts in those ways, but I don't think its a customer service issue. Those things are, in my eyes, human dignity. Heck, I don't need any nursing training or customer service skills to know what was wrong in those incidents.

Very sorry you had to go through those things. I will say this though, you've come out of it with a clear, level head and that is to be commended :yeah:. There are a lot of people who could not have fared so well and would have come out of all that being resentful.

I'm sorry too though to be the bearer of bad news and point out, "customer service" as the suits/management are interpreting it, is not going to stop that sort of behavior from nurses. In fact, I would go as far as to say it will promote it. Its a hard thought process line to follow, but thats what I foresee. As you said, expecting nurses to be "personal assistants as well as providing medical care is ridiculous and unhealthy." IDK if you meant unhealthy for the pt's, the nurse or both. I can assure you though, it does include being unhealthy for the nurse.

More and more nurses will find themselves putting on the "car salesman" face all day long, trying to win that "5" out of everyone. But, they will get burned out by it, frustrated with the pressures of balancing medical needs vs. w/e people want in order for a "5" to be earned. As the frustration mounts, from time to time the car salesman face loses it value and nurses do things like what you encountered.

Everyone around us, from the patients we serve to the administration we answer to wants to have their cake and eat it too. We are expected to be responsible for the medical outcomes of pt's, but are not supported in a way in which we can exert any real control over said outcomes. If we choose to deny the diabetic their third ice cream, we have lost in the "customer service" area no matter how much charisma we exude while explaining why. If we grant the request, we have failed you from a medical standpoint and, yes, such mistakes come back to haunt us as people then wish to sue while their foot is amputated.

It's this "no win" culture nurses are thrust into that sometimes makes nurses decide to simply do whatever it takes to get the day over with, walking through their tasks with no emotional/personal attachment to anything or anyone. That is how we end up doing the things you described. I'm not making excuses for them, trust me. I've gone through many measures in my personal life to make sure I don't end up like that. But there are days where it is a challenge not to be.

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
I think you misunderstood me. Yes we occassionally have falls and occassionally have skin breakdown. When this happens, management addresses it with us. This doesn't mean care is suffering because we are focusing on Customer Service instead of turning our patients.

What I was trying to say is I have NEVER seen management tell us to do something that goes against good nursing judgement, not in the name of customer service or in anything else. To use your example, I've never been told to give high sugary foods to a diabetic because they weren't happy. I ran this by another nurse today to see if she can think of any examples of this that she has seen and she said no.

So are you saying all your core measures are always met, you never have skin breakdown or falls, but management is insisting you go against a doctor's diet order in order to please a patient??? Really??

And we get the whole PG Customer service crap too. ("Very Good Care" is the tagline of the month around here.) But I still say they don't tell us to go against our nursing judgement. As a matter of fact, I'd get written up in a heart beat for letting an NPO patient eat if he whined and complained and threatened with a bad survey. I don't think I'd hear a peep from managment if we actually got a bad survey from someone saying "that mean nurse wouldn't let me eat breakfast before my surgery."

No. I was being to vague I guess.

I liked your managements approach. Core measures and basic care (T+P etc) don't seem to have lost their focus with your leaders.

Then, you landed in the 99th percentile. I think thats a direct reflection of.............good leadership. That and having people willing to be lead.

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