strangeways, here we come: university of alberta medical students have something important to say about nurses--especially their breasts!
july 8, 2005 -- the edmonton journal published a fair piece by jodie sinnema on may 19 about the recent controversy surrounding the lyrics of a "nurses' song" performed by university of alberta medical students at their annual "medshow." it seems that nursing professors, the university provost, and even the medical school dean found something objectionable about the song's assertions that nurses were "wh*res" and "b*tches" whose "incompetence" threatened to "make our patients die." but at least the medical students felt nurses were qualified to "fill up my coffeepot" and "give good head," and the refrain urged nurses to "show me those boobs." the song seems to reflect virulent misogyny, ignorance of nursing, and professional insecurity, a perfect storm of dysfunction that persists in many clinical settings, harming patients and contributing to nursing burnout and the global nursing shortage. to the extent the song and the medical students' apparent non-apology are indicators of their career trajectory, it's bad news for patients and colleagues. but the students' conduct does suggest that the business outlook may be good for local malpractice and personal injury lawyers--and possibly even those who work in the criminal justice system!
I fully understand how ALL of US Nurses feel, but unfortunately, IGNORANCE comes in ALL fields, as does tolerance, patience and kindness. I WAS EXTREMELY angry and disgruntled by the apparent LACK of respect shown by a bunch of upstart, pea brained , think they know it all, arrogant, MED students, who will probably make more bad calls in their first 3 months of practice than ANY Nurse will in HIS/HER first 5 years... BUT let US ALL remember OUR PATIENTS come First and Foremost. Above all we ARE their advocates and the only form of protection against this type of stupidity. NEVER allow your personal emotion to over-ride your common sense and superior knowledge. Do NOT allow your patient to go without in order to prove that you are right, That makes you wrong.
I hope this makes all the local papers and word gets out to the local nurses who will soon be overseeing these medical students on the wards. It will be interesting to see what kind of reception they will get and what kind of ongoing support they offer.
Aggravating, obnoxious or disrespectful med students/interns got nothing but disdain from me...and they floundered on their own. Just as they deserved to.
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I fully understand how ALL of US Nurses feel, but unfortunately, IGNORANCE comes in ALL fields, as does tolerance, patience and kindness. I WAS EXTREMELY angry and disgruntled by the apparent LACK of respect shown by a bunch of upstart, pea brained , think they know it all, arrogant, MED students, who will probably make more bad calls in their first 3 months of practice than ANY Nurse will in HIS/HER first 5 years... BUT let US ALL remember OUR PATIENTS come First and Foremost. Above all we ARE their advocates and the only form of protection against this type of stupidity. NEVER allow your personal emotion to over-ride your common sense and superior knowledge. Do NOT allow your patient to go without in order to prove that you are right, That makes you wrong.
hmmm perhaps it does not occur to you, that in elevating nursing's attractiveness to would-be nurses overall, and protecting our integrity IS indeed "putting our patients first"???! Something to consider.
hmmm perhaps it does not occur to you, that in elevating nursing's attractiveness to would-be nurses overall, and protecting our integrity IS indeed "putting our patients first"???! Something to consider.
I think that the takniteze was responding to the mattsmom's post. Letting them "flounder" might indicate that said doctor would be thrashing around while attempting to render care to the patient. Such thrashing, stumbling or being otherwise inefficient would compromise the care to the patient. Watching that occur when you could step in and get it done would result in a direct compromise.
So while I think takniteze would agree to the premise that elevating the perception of the nursing profession would be a benefit to the patient in the long run, doing so by allowing care to suffer is not the way to go about it.
(By the way, I don't think that's what mattsmom was trying to imply. I'm just saying that it's how it might be interpreted)
Good grief how did anyone get that out of my post?? To imply a nurse would let a PATIENT come to harm?? Please.
I'd never allow a student to harm patients...student nurse or student doc. I'm talking about finding things, explaining less mundane stuff, supportive roles we take that help THEM...save their time, streamline their time on the unit, etc..
My 'helpfulness quotient' and friendliness goes down a few pegs when they are obnoxious...with docs as well as students.
We teach these student docs how to treat us. They need to learn fast they don't disrespect us. When we continue to cater to them when they're azzholes what message does that give?
I'm acountable to provide basic assistance with procedures and communicate for the patient's welfare. The niceties are NOT mandatory.
Good grief how did anyone get that out of my post?? To imply a nurse would let a PATIENT come to harm?? Please.
I'd never allow a student to harm patients...student nurse or student doc. I'm talking about finding things, explaining less mundane stuff, supportive roles we take that help THEM...save their time, streamline their time on the unit, etc..
My 'helpfulness quotient' and friendliness goes down a few pegs when they are obnoxious...with docs as well as students.
We teach these student docs how to treat us. They need to learn fast they don't disrespect us. When we continue to cater to them when they're azzholes what message does that give?
I'm acountable to provide basic assistance with procedures and communicate for the patient's welfare. The niceties are NOT mandatory.
I agree. I would never go out of my way to be nice to anyone who was disrespectful towards me.
You know what the difference is between GOD and a DOCTOR? GOD doesn't think he's a DOCTOR!
disrespectful to say the least...unfortunately that is how some physicians feel about nurses...I used to work at a tenet facility in middle georgia and alot of the male docs used the hospital as their own personal dating service...in reality we help THEM not to KILL OUR patients!!!
Thank you for your assistance you are exactly right in you interpretation of what I was responding to and what I meant to say.
I think that the takniteze was responding to the mattsmom's post. Letting them "flounder" might indicate that said doctor would be thrashing around while attempting to render care to the patient. Such thrashing, stumbling or being otherwise inefficient would compromise the care to the patient. Watching that occur when you could step in and get it done would result in a direct compromise.
So while I think takniteze would agree to the premise that elevating the perception of the nursing profession would be a benefit to the patient in the long run, doing so by allowing care to suffer is not the way to go about it.
(By the way, I don't think that's what mattsmom was trying to imply. I'm just saying that it's how it might be interpreted)
I wish it was just grotesque, it was humiliating and demeaning. I amazed that these student did not have enough education to even keep the most basic vulgarities out of their "song". I am a Nurse that is employeed in the Department of Corrections, and it is astounding that I have found more respect amoung rapist, murderers, and general criminal population than can be shown by what are supposed to be our FUTURE " leaders in Health Care" . I am sure that more than one of these "hopeful Doctors " will find him/her self in a very large lawsuite for sexual harassment, so I hope the one who wants to be a Neurosurgeon also continues his/her education to become an Attorney. I am sure with the attitude shown by these individuals he/she, which ever the case may be will get "PLENTY" of practice in the Courts as well as the O.R. Considering the way they now view their Nurses, "If " they don't get it for sexual harassment then they are sure to get it for malpractice.
By the way I found the words under song.
Does someone have the lyrics to the song in question? I clicked on the word "piece" in the article but apparently the link doesn't work anymore. I'm just curious as to what was all said, although it sounds like it was grostesque humor aimed at nurses.
How about 3 back to back 12 hour shifts on a Med- Surg. floor with 2 NEW RN's and a couple of Experienced LPNs and 36 Patients 16 of whom are 1st day post-op 3 Trans in and 9 releases.
Medshow is about parody, fun N jeers and is a fundraise per the news article.....someone got carried away big time.
I think sending the med students to a weeks worth of ride along with a homecare RN or 3 12 hour shifts on a rehab floor would be just amends.
takniteze
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I fully understand how ALL of US Nurses feel, but unfortunately, IGNORANCE comes in ALL fields, as does tolerance, patience and kindness. I WAS EXTREMELY angry and disgruntled by the apparent LACK of respect shown by a bunch of upstart, pea brained , think they know it all, arrogant, MED students, who will probably make more bad calls in their first 3 months of practice than ANY Nurse will in HIS/HER first 5 years... BUT let US ALL remember OUR PATIENTS come First and Foremost. Above all we ARE their advocates and the only form of protection against this type of stupidity. NEVER allow your personal emotion to over-ride your common sense and superior knowledge. Do NOT allow your patient to go without in order to prove that you are right, That makes you wrong.