CRNA nursing students who are over 40 and dismissed from their programs.

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Hi! I was interested in any CRNA students who were 40 or over, who were dismissed from their CRNA programs. I have been doing research in this area and have found a large number of nursing CRNA students who were hazed from their programs (some of the information is just outrageous what was done to them) as well as their program design and structure. Many CRNA programs are fitting a "mill" mode where quality is not an issue as is quantity. Thanks!

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Specializes in Anesthesia.

Any and all SRNAs that feel they were not treated fairly or feel they were dismissed from their program unfairly need to contact the COA with the facts. I hear a lot of former SRNA complain, but few if any of those ever complain to the COA.

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Specializes in ICU.

COA?? what is this?

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
COA?? what is this?

Council of Accreditation Home This is the independent organization that certifies/accredits each and every nurse anesthesia program in the US, and the ones responsible for SRNA requirements for graduation.

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Specializes in ICU, SICU, Burns, ED, Cath lab, and EMS.

The upperclass students advised new SRNAs to remain "under the radar" of school faculty at my school. Who is the COA going to beleive: school faculty or the student? Likewise, the COA doesn't regulate clinical behavior of staff CRNAs and MDA. That's where I experienced my hazing treatment

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
The upperclass students advised new SRNAs to remain "under the radar" of school faculty at my school. Who is the COA going to beleive: school faculty or the student? Likewise, the COA doesn't regulate clinical behavior of staff CRNAs and MDA. That's where I experienced my hazing treatment

So, in other words you did not try to contact the COA and make a report. You, as a student, are customer for the school. Clinical sites have to meet certain requirements too, and clinical sites can be removed. One of the biggest reasons that there are so many nurse anesthesia schools is that SRNAs are virtual "cash cows" for these universities and the hospitals. It is in the university's best interest to accept as many students as possible, and in the best interest of the hospitals to have as many SRNAs as possible doing clinicals to reduce the amount of paid anesthesia staff.

Mountain State University was closed d/t accreditation issues r/t lawsuits and COA complaints. The COA seems to take complaints very seriously, but one student's version of hazing may not be considered hazing by other people. You need to be objective and factual in your complaints.

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To Skip- You and I must have gone to the same program- I was told and experienced the exact same thing in my program. But here is the kicker: If you have already graduated from a program and you voice a concern to the COA and then enough people do the same--> Then a program couuld lose their accreditation, and you being a graduate would devalue your own stock for the future. Why would you want to do that?

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Specializes in ER/ICU/STICU.
To Skip- You and I must have gone to the same program- I was told and experienced the exact same thing in my program. But here is the kicker: If you have already graduated from a program and you voice a concern to the COA and then enough people do the same--> Then a program couuld lose their accreditation, and you being a graduate would devalue your own stock for the future. Why would you want to do that?

I don't see it as devaluing your stock. Once you pass the boards, you are a CRNA. You now owe it to your profession to alert the COA about these programs so something can be done about these programs that have programs just for the money.

Having sub-par new grads only devalues the profession of CRNA's.

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Specializes in ICU, SICU, Burns, ED, Cath lab, and EMS.

That's if you graduate....

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Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.
That's if you graduate....

I'm sure every school has people who believe they are targeted to be released. Not everyone that starts anesthesia school is a good technician. I'm sure there are those who wash out academically and there are those who are bad practitioners and are washed out.

I have always heard that anesthesia is a small community and that you do not want your school name associated with a poor practitioner. Never used my textbook to intubate someone.

Not graduating is always a possibility. That's why most people I attend school with like to "stay under the radar". And that's never a bad policy.

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That seems to be right. The more you don't put of a fuss and cause problems, the better it may be in the long run. You don't want to get a bad rap at the start!

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I have to say, If I observed students being treated in an unfair manner, as a CRNA it would be my duty to bring it up to the school and if there was no satisfaction there, the COA. CRNAs who haze students should not be tolerated. Having said that... I hope more clinical sites kick out the schools to help stem the tide of CRNAs being produced. CRNA "Puppy Mills" are cranking out hundreds of minimally trained CRNAs every year ( Florida and Texas come to mind) And, with that overproduction comes a decrease in the cost of hiring a CRNA.. Supply and demand in action.

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