Critique of Nursing School

Many nursing schools are mediocre. They are dropping the ball on teaching unifying concepts, which are so key stimulating and solidifying learning. Oftentimes, they are not teaching period. And the chance to gain clinical experience is often lacking. Nursing Students General Students Article

Having seen so many pitiable messages thrown up on this board from desperate students barely surviving nursing school, I wanted to give my two cents worth from a less immediate and frazzled perspective. Let me say that I understand that I'm generalizing. I don't believe for one second that all nursing schools are like mine was, but it seems like many are. And that is something to be concerned about.

For those who are serious about learning and who want to become nurses to apply that learning, nursing school is, by the looks, sounds, and experience of things, maybe not the best place to be at right now. Unfortunately, it is the only game in town nowadays and that's because it's all about the road to NCLEX.

Concepts are poorly explained or else, as I have experienced and seen discussed countless times on allnurses.com, incorrectly explained, or not explained at all. Conceptual understanding is the axis on which much acquired learning swings. Without identifying key concepts, teaching, and learning key concepts, knowledge is hanging by an insecure thread. And it is exactly here - teaching unifying concepts - that nursing schools gracelessly bow out of the game.

The majority of teachers now in nursing schools are not good. Is this why there is a nursing shortage?

The personal stories of weekend activity, the bragging, the pointless anecdotes and meaningless aphorisms - all students who are subject to these monotones are to be pitied for their wasted time and the fatigue of enduring them. Instead of the weekend stories, instead of the dull lazily-delivered aphorisms, why don't they teach? That is exactly the question. Is it ignorance or laziness? (Or, is the problem more structural in nature? More on that later.) More within the realm of realistic possibilities for the student, though, is the question, why don't they - the students - protest? The answer is complicated - one, it's generally a two-year program we're talking about, with a pace that is not to be believed, which leaves students with hardly any time to warm dinner, much less launch and sustain a protest. Often a faint, last hope, the evaluation system at these schools is often broken. In addition, there is the reality that often the professors are good buddies with the nursing school directors (at least the ones who want to make sure they keep their jobs are), so there's no barking up that tree. As with so much, it all comes down to leadership, and there just isn't any. The 'dons' appear to be fairly well cut off from reality.

The teachers as far as I can tell have graduated from the do as I say not as I do university, the same one that imparts a teaching style of - guess what I'm thinking right now ? For example they may throw out a question about heart failure, but inevitably it comes off as sounding like, "what am I thinking right this second is the key thing you should know about heart failure, and if you don't guess what is in my mind, I will say something to strongly imply that you all are not trying or don't know jack?" And then, that's it. There's no further discussion about why that thing the professor had in his/her mind was so important. There's no building on knowledge.

From what I can tell, there is scant teaching anywhere these days, and the cottage industry of nursing "strategy" packages is a booming one indeed, complete with the hard sell and slick language of snake oil salesmen. The fact of their existence absolves nursing schools of not teaching key concepts. Yes, nowadays, you cannot be so naive as to think you can simply enroll in a pricey nursing school, can you? No, you must also be taught separately by Hurst, or Kaplan, Simple Nursing or HESI. Our nursing schools are following and cribbing from them. What does this say about our nursing schools? Not much.

There used to be good nursing schools, ones with great reputations. But I must have missed the news: at what point did these schools decentralize and hand their knowledge, power, and organization over to Kaplan, HESI, and the others? Why in the world did anyone allow this to happen? The problem with weak nursing schools, among so many, is the application. There is very little applied learning in weak nursing schools (clinical rotations), which just makes the learning that much weaker as well. And it skimps on training.

Did my school do a good job preparing students? No. They were disorganized, detached, demoralized and chaotic. But, the staff and professors could also be sociable, personable, and nice in the very fleeting attention given to individual students. But only a tiny number of them (1 or 2) truly went out of their way to make sure they covered the material as well as they could. The others were either not up to the task but tried in their own way, or else they did have the intellectual skills but for one reason or another decided to fall back and not put in the effort. With some of the others, you could tell that they didn't know the material well enough to answer questions. In fact, asking questions was frowned on. The prevailing attitude among the staff was that it was no better than when they went to nursing school. In other words, they were fine perpetuating a mediocre system of learning. Our nursing schools have become nothing more than places where you can study on your own in order to take the NCLEX. Teachers are not needed; only monitors are needed because that's all they do anyway. You will be teaching yourself all the way through.

In addition to mediocre teachers, students must also contend with materials that are internally inconsistent and workbooks with incorrect answers, the final cruelty to the struggling student.

Now, just to show that I am not a total jerk, I will ask the question: or, is the problem structural in nature? When you consider the ratio of volume of material covered to class time, it does make you pause and wonder. What happened? Was it always like this? In whose mind is two and a half classroom hours per week covering 300 pages sufficient? What exactly is the point of those hours? Maybe at some school it was worth it, because key concepts were explained and expanded upon, but not at my school. There was also the issue of students who did not put in the time to learn the material. Obviously you cannot put that over on bad professors. But bad professors nevertheless exist. To what extent one enables another is an open question - but one for another time.

What to do now?

To the majority of nursing students outside the age range of 18-20, honestly I don't know what to say. So I'll address the moms and dads out there because it's the young students that I feel have the best chance and the most hope of getting the most from nursing education. If you happen to be a mom of a teen who really wants to be a nurse, I recommend scouting out the best BSN (not RN) programs in the country and start preparing her or him now. Find good nursing schools, more than one, more than four, and start planning. Now. Unfortunately many well-known and good schools of nursing have shut down. Inadvisably. Maybe the administrations at their universities wanted to play up the 'sexier' programs, and failed to realize the power of a good solid nursing program, much to the chagrin of the longtime nurses and doctors who taught there, no doubt.

But getting back...How can I nutshell this at its most fundamental? (This goes for young learners and adult learners alike.): Find the programs with the best teachers. If you find good teachers, and you are willing to work very hard, you are all but there.

Just curious why parents should search for the best BSN program while completely ignoring the ADN programs out there. Especially since you seem to be disappointed with poor clinical training. It really depends on the school, both programs can offer vastly different clinical experiences.

Specializes in Public Health.

I kinda feel like nursing school prepared me adequately. I am more of the adapt, survive, overcome type; if I struggled during school it was the stress of juggling school, home and work responsibility. The financial aspects were difficult. But it wasn't the schools fault.

Now of course there were times the school didn't live up to expectations but regardless, you can't be a nurse if you can't pass the tests.

Specializes in Transitional Nursing.

From what I understand, it's the system. I often hear about "real world nursing" vs "nursing school". What I can say, is that from what I've seen, no nursing school is anything like the "real world". I'm pretty sure nursing school is a perfect world scenario. In theory, it could work but in practice never does.

I am currently in an ADN program, and although I am doing very well, and have a few great teachers, I do not think ADN programs are exempt from the same issues that BSN programs have. My county college has the same ATI challenges as the rest, as well as other problems. I'm just glad I have some professors who at least try to advocate for us students! I try my best to "advocate" for our professors, but the administration makes it difficult for us to be able to. :(

However, in nursing school, I've learned it's not worth addressing even serious problems or utter incompetence when it comes to teachers, whether it is theory or clinical. It's always the student's fault. And that's pretty much the end of the story. Sadly, nothing will change with this mentality. There are some great teachers out there and I feel grateful when I get lucky enough to be placed with them. Then there are those who have no business teaching or being clinical instructors—and in some cases, it's actually scary. Sometimes students have legitimate concerns and complaints.

This! I totally agree that if there is a grievance, it is usually deemed the students fault, justly or unjustly. I just try and be quiet. There was an issue at our program and one of our "better students" who was also the class rep, thought that she could say something since the professors new her well from being the class rep. Well, she is no longer one of our "better" students, and just barely passed because her clinical grade was lowered a whole letter grade because of not being "professional," which was referring to the problem she brought up. This sent the administrations message loud and clear to the rest of us: "Be quiet!"

I graduated from an ADN program in Minnesota last year, at the age of 48, so I am not looking at college as a young, fresh adult. It took me two years to get through the pre-reqs for my ADN program because I could only go half-time. I don't have to tell any of you how crazy things got when I started the actual nursing program portion. First, my practical nursing program, and the next year, the registered nurse program. (At the school I went to, you have to successfully complete practical nursing and pass the NCLEX for LPN before you can move into the RN program, which meant that not everyone moved forward).

I might going against the flow here, but I had a positive experience at my nursing school. Other than the craziness and insane amount of studying and work expected, I really liked my nursing school. I thought I must have the best instructors in the world. They not only encouraged questions, but tried to answer all of them (and if they couldn't, they worked to try to find the answers). They gave many examples through lectures to try to help us apply what we were learning to real-life situations. We were encouraged to email or call with further questions. We not only met before, but also after each clinical so we could go over our experiences to learn as much as possible from each other. My instructors truly seemed to care about each of us, and wanted us to succeed to become the best nurses we could be. They were uplifting and positive in their attitudes toward us. They also had student representatives join their meetings regularly, and we were encouraged to voice our concerns to our student representatives so that they could be addressed. I know that instructors come and go, so I hope that it continues to be the positive place it was.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

I think the clinical aspect being "critiqued" needs to be understood by the student much better.

You can't blame a program if they are actively competing with 30 other programs for clinical sites, along with liability issues, including patients who do "not" want a student...your program is competing with top-tier schools along with "commercial" programs, and a program can be middle of the road-there's plenty of schools in that market, and the influx, to me, is disconcerting, and the REAL reason that programs can't give a better education, IMHO.

I may get flamed for this, due to the fortunate experience to have a very well-rounded program that allowed students to gain great experience-but then again, that may be my own experience; I hear some (at least 10-15% which come out to be 4-6 out of 50 students) cohorts think the school as a whole was "busy work" or felt they were "cheated"-granted, this was their first nursing school experience, there were many that had an advanced healthcare background (LPN, EMT/paramedic, etc; about 20-25 of us out of 50)- although most of us felt prepared going forward.

I also had the experience of going though a diploma program as a PN student that had practically a tug of war between nursing staff that could be interpreted as "incompetent" (personal issues, not withstanding alcoholism; knowledge of outdated information, insecurity issues) against nursing instructors that drilled into us "thinking like a nurse" is the key to competence and did expose the clinical aspect and helped "bridge the gap" between the "real" ( I use the term loosely) world of nursing and the standards (I use this term loosely as well) of nursing school-I felt my BSN program had more of the latter experiences theoretically and clinically had the latter instructors, and I am fortunate for that; as well as that knowledge of nursing school.

I do feel that the angst of a nursing program "preparing" you clinically can be VERY overrated, and the foundation for thinking like a nurse is so much more important that the "clinical setting"; you certainly need the tools to "think" like a nurse; most "hands on skills" mean NOTHING unless one understands the WHY behind it...and in the real world of nursing, at least in my experience, the thought process, ability to give a reason/rationale, and apply both effectively, along with the know-how to advocate is MUCH more important than anything else.

I will add that I think schools should do a better job in informing how nursing is a life-long learning experience; and utilize better texts and emphasize the Recommended reading section more-those books serve to be at ones future employer someday and sometimes give so much essential information that supplement the text book....along with less programs and partnerships with local facilities (notice I didn't say hospitals, because nursing is everywhere) with helping to shape future nurses.

Specializes in Geriatrics/family medicine.

Nursing school experience was getting your feet wet, your first year out of school and working is when you get in knee deep, and then sometimes situations demand you just jump right in. My current employer had me supervise just because I had an RN after my name not because i had the experience, I was 25 and thinking who will take me seriously? Now some time later I do feel more confident but they are lpns that have way more experience that could be better supervisiors, but they are not allowed to be because of corporate policy.

I do feel that the angst of a nursing program "preparing" you clinically can be VERY overrated, and the foundation for thinking like a nurse is so much more important that the "clinical setting"; you certainly need the tools to "think" like a nurse; most "hands on skills" mean NOTHING unless one understands the WHY behind it...and in the real world of nursing, at least in my experience, the thought process, ability to give a reason/rationale, and apply both effectively, along with the know-how to advocate is MUCH more important than anything else.

I will add that I think schools should do a better job in informing how nursing is a life-long learning experience; and utilize better texts and emphasize the Recommended reading section more-those books serve to be at ones future employer someday and sometimes give so much essential information that supplement the text book....along with less programs and partnerships with local facilities (notice I didn't say hospitals, because nursing is everywhere) with helping to shape future nurses.

This. Reading this article made me a bit sad to think that students have to go through this experience. I just graduated from an ADN program and am taking NCLEX in two weeks. My program has a very high NCLEX pass rate and has a good reputation in the area. And yes, of course I feel like the typical scared new grad, but I do feel very, very prepared. My school was very much of the philosophy of critical thinking, and the mantra was also "think like a nurse." Of course, this made the program difficult as all hell, but I've got to say, there is nothing like the feeling of everything "coming together" and making sense. That's what critical thinking gets you. Nursing school is absolutely not doable if you're just memorizing information and having it just floating around in your head. Once you understand it and are able to think critically about it, you will STILL have the information memorized and it will stick, simply because it just makes sense to you.

My school was fortunately generous with lecture time and clinical time. Each course had two 3-hour lectures per week (OP stated that some schools only have a 2 and a half hour lecture per week, does this seem sporifice to anyone?), and one clinical a week (two a week final semester). On top of that, students practically live in the nursing lab practicing skills for mandatory skills validations. First semester, a few students and I were complaining that we wanted more clinical time and we felt like we weren't getting our hands dirty enough. Our instructor sat us down and told us flat out that "thinking like a nurse" was far more important than getting hands-on clinical time. She said that upon going into the work force, we'd master our skills within months so there was no need to fret now. I thought she was a little crazy at the time, but soon I learned that the rest of the staff had the same philosophy. So yes, I still don't feel like I got as much hands-on time as I would have liked, largely in-part to uncooperative preceptors. But wow, two years ago I never thought I would be able to safely and effectively go through the nursing process after assessing the pt and interpreting labs without a second thought.

All in all, while I do agree that it is the school's responsibility to provide a quality education, I feel that much more falls on the student. I'm a school-lover, so nursing school felt very doable to me. Not all students are like that (but they can still become very competent nurses). Studying for nursing courses is a COMPLETELY different animal than your typical gen-eds. But nursing classes are no different from any other course in that self-learning is part of the process, and just absolutely crucial. I studied constantly, and sometimes I studied outside of my course textbook and course notes. It didn't bother me. A student needs to know that going in. I noticed that many students in my cohort struggled so much because they expected to be spoon-fed everything, and that simply just doesn't work. I could be wrong, maybe my school was crappy. But either way, I worked my tail off and made the most of my time and what I had, and I got to leave nursing school with the feeling that it was a generally positive experience.

Specializes in Geriatrics/family medicine.
immunetogravity I am glad you had a positive experience. I had an instructor for health assessment that basically read from the book, i learned way more when I took my advanced health assessment course about two years ago, and I learned more about each patient that I met, I think the more you experience and when you do become successful one task you feel more confident taking it on in the future and showing others how to proceed if they need assistance.
Specializes in Geriatrics/family medicine.
Just curious why parents should search for the best BSN program while completely ignoring the ADN programs out there. Especially since you seem to be disappointed with poor clinical training. It really depends on the school, both programs can offer vastly different clinical experiences.

BSN is preffered in a lot of settings now maybe that is why OP stated BSN programs, however I have worked with nurses who are adn and lpn prepared going back for their bsn, and they seem more prepared clinically compared me and others who went straight for bsn programs

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
This. Reading this article made me a bit sad to think that students have to go through this experience. I just graduated from an ADN program and am taking NCLEX in two weeks. My program has a very high NCLEX pass rate and has a good reputation in the area. And yes, of course I feel like the typical scared new grad, but I do feel very, very prepared. My school was very much of the philosophy of critical thinking, and the mantra was also "think like a nurse." Of course, this made the program difficult as all hell, but I've got to say, there is nothing like the feeling of everything "coming together" and making sense. That's what critical thinking gets you. Nursing school is absolutely not doable if you're just memorizing information and having it just floating around in your head. Once you understand it and are able to think critically about it, you will STILL have the information memorized and it will stick, simply because it just makes sense to you.

My school was fortunately generous with lecture time and clinical time. Each course had two 3-hour lectures per week (OP stated that some schools only have a 2 and a half hour lecture per week, does this seem sporifice to anyone?), and one clinical a week (two a week final semester). On top of that, students practically live in the nursing lab practicing skills for mandatory skills validations. First semester, a few students and I were complaining that we wanted more clinical time and we felt like we weren't getting our hands dirty enough. Our instructor sat us down and told us flat out that "thinking like a nurse" was far more important than getting hands-on clinical time. She said that upon going into the work force, we'd master our skills within months so there was no need to fret now. I thought she was a little crazy at the time, but soon I learned that the rest of the staff had the same philosophy. So yes, I still don't feel like I got as much hands-on time as I would have liked, largely in-part to uncooperative preceptors. But wow, two years ago I never thought I would be able to safely and effectively go through the nursing process after assessing the pt and interpreting labs without a second thought.

All in all, while I do agree that it is the school's responsibility to provide a quality education, I feel that much more falls on the student. I'm a school-lover, so nursing school felt very doable to me. Not all students are like that (but they can still become very competent nurses). Studying for nursing courses is a COMPLETELY different animal than your typical gen-eds. But nursing classes are no different from any other course in that self-learning is part of the process, and just absolutely crucial. I studied constantly, and sometimes I studied outside of my course textbook and course notes. It didn't bother me. A student needs to know that going in. I noticed that many students in my cohort struggled so much because they expected to be spoon-fed everything, and that simply just doesn't work. I could be wrong, maybe my school was crappy. But either way, I worked my tail off and made the most of my time and what I had, and I got to leave nursing school with the feeling that it was a generally positive experience.

My PN diploma program was a M-F, 8-4 format, clincials were 7-3, so the format was different from my BSN program; I went to a two night and every other weekend program; clincials were 8 or 12 hours long; each were designed per program and state requirement, yet they both emphasized "thinking like a nurse."

Both had well rounded clinicals; my BSN program also had a community component that has exposure to Home Health visits and a NIH program, and focused on pt education.

I felt very prepared in both programs; I was very successful as a LPN, and feel that in the past two years as an RN, the learning curve is steep, but doable; I know I will continued success as a nurse; I have been more prepared as I continue to have success in this business.