Resigned During Orientation - Advice Needed

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Hello, I could use your feedback and advice. Recently I resigned just short of the full term of my orientation in an ICU, though it was the last thing I ever thought I would do. My primary goal since I decided to pursue nursing was to become a good nurse.

Background: This is my second career. My first was successful, but it was time for a change. A former manager called me "the quiet professional." I am not an extrovert and was known to work hard and keep my nose clean. In every workplace I have formed very good friendships with others. Before nursing school, I achieved a lot due to some amount of intelligence and a LOT of hard work. I completed nursing school in one year (accelerated program), top of my class, with commendations from the dean. All of my clinical instructors wrote very good recommendations for me when I applied for jobs. I passed the state boards answering 75 questions. My success up to this point I attribute to a lot of hard work and a wonderful family. During my orientation I did not advertise any of this. I told no one except my preceptor about the number of questions I got on the state boards, and even with her, I made it a point to be modest. Personally, I don't like people who brag and boast, and doing well in school or on a test doesn't mean someone will do well in real life.

Several of us from the same class were hired by one ICU. We had the opportunity to complete our last semester with this unit, which we saw as a head start in orienting to the unit. We each had the same preceptor during this period and during orientation. I discovered during this last semester that many of my fellow-students were ahead of me in terms of responsibilities given. I was uneasy about this and asked my preceptor a couple of times for more responsibility. Her response was that I was a student still and that there was plenty of time to learn.

By the way, I was never late (always very early), never sick, and never rejected the opportunity to do anything. I loved the extra classes offered and did well in them. I looked forward to them.

During this time I also learned that the unit had had a bad reputation due to poor management. Nurses came and left within 6 months. There were a lot of agency nurses to fill the gaps in the schedule. The former manager had been fired because the work environment was so toxic. A new manager was hired shortly before I was hired.

In the last semester of school I noticed a few things about my preceptor:

1. She was very negative about other nurses, doctors, and even patients. She would treat patients she suspected abused drugs or alcohol badly - she would try to avoid giving them pain medicine, she would speak very negatively about them. She was not very compassionate with most patients in general. On three occasions the patients complained about her and requested me to be their nurse.

2. She was very condescending towards me. The longer we were together, the worse it got. I tolerated it because I realized that it was a temporary situation. As long as I was learning what I needed to know, I could put up with her bullying, I could put up with her behavior. She would have particularly bad days when she would disappear for long periods, then reappear in a patient's room, ordering me to do XYZ, as though I had done something wrong, when in fact I was in the process of doing those tasks. Several times patients and patient's families commented on her behavior once she left the room.

3. As time went on, I saw that other orientees were progressing, learning things I that I longed to learn, but wasn't taught. I was given tasks that a PCT would have, and on the rare occasion that my preceptor wanted to teach something to me, her lessons fell short. For example, when learning how to draw a blood sample from an arterial line she said: "turn the thingy up." That evening I went home and watched videos online to figure out how to do it. What she meant was: turn the stopcock off to the flush. On several occasions I asked her nursing questions that she couldn't answer. No harm, I thought. She can still teach me how to do the basics. But she didn't, or perhaps couldn't, do that either. As time went on, I felt more and more behind and that I wouldn't be prepared for 'real life' in the unit.

4. In the fourth week of orientation my preceptor was reprimanded. Her head was not in the preceptor game before this, and after the reprimand, it most definitely was not. For the first couple of shifts after the reprimand, she was almost nice to me. I thought it would be the turning point. Then she became even worse than before.

5. Right after she was reprimanded, she suddenly began to go through the preceptor's evaluations with me. I got good marks and her general remark was that I needed to learn more stuff. Well, yes, I thought. I DO.

6. In the seventh week of orientation, the manager saw a tense exchange between the two of us. I asked my preceptor a question in front of the manager, my preceptor snapped at me, and I replied that I hadn't been shown how to do X. It had gotten to the point that she was very critical with me all the time about everything. I could do nothing right. I was becoming more and more nervous at work. Sometimes I had trouble breathing. A few minutes later I asked the manager to talk to her, thinking I could talk to her alone. The manager called in my preceptor and then asked me how orientation was going. I was kind. I said that I didn't feel I was on the right track. My preceptor then totally torpedoed me. She said she didn't think I had what it takes to be a nurse in ICU. I replied by saying that in my heart I believed I did, but that I wasn't being taught how to do just that.

My preceptor left, I spoke with my manager who said she would find another preceptor. She also offered me the opportunity to transfer to another unit, saying that I could be a good nurse in another unit. I wanted to stay in ICU. Now I realize that was my moment to exit gracefully.

Within a few days I had another preceptor. She didn't seem enthused to have me. In fact, on our second day together she said she thought new grads shouldn't be hired in ICU. She was definitely not on my side. After a few shifts together, in which I learned a great deal - the learning curve was amazing - I discovered that I had been doing about 1/2 the charting I should have been doing. I quickly adapted. I was given full responsibility of two patients (normal load) and even though we had to stay late the first time, I did a good job,

I thought.

I discovered in the following weeks that my first preceptor had a very bad reputation. She was seen as lazy (yes), a gossip (yes), gave very poor patient care (no Q2 turning or oral care, leaving patients who needed consultations in their rooms languishing - experienced this on several occasions), and unkind to patients (yes). I never participated in this talk, just listened. When asked about the change in preceptor, I said that we had decided to mix things up a bit. I made it a point to saying she had taught me a great deal.

I was steadily given more responsibility, feeling overwhelmed sometimes, but happy to finally have the opportunity to learn what I needed to learn. I thought I was making great progress. By the fourth or fifth shift together, preceptor 2 left the unit to make a phone call, leaving me in charge of two patients. One of those patients was on levophed. The levophed ran out shortly before preceptor number 2 came back from her phone call, and then it was my fault that the patient's BP dropped. Somehow I felt this was unfair, but I accepted responsibility for it, had bad dreams about it, and spoke with preceptor number 2 about it. Her reply was that I should have learned all about levophed in school.

Looking back, I see that there was no 'winning' from this point on. Even though I explained that I was behind others because I wasn't taught skills, she was not convinced. Preceptor #2 reported every mistake I made to the manager. I was docked for asking questions, I was docked for being behind the other orientees who started with me, etc.

For two shifts I worked with other nurses, who each said at the end of the shift that they would report what they observed back to the manager. One said she was very surprised at my performance - I had asked a lot of questions, and she thought I needed another 12 week orientation. I was very surprised since I completed all of the documentation and almost all of the tasks (save two) for THREE patients by the end of the shift - no staying late.

The second, and last nurse, I worked with was a true horror. She was a disorganized mess who arrived late and spent the shift talking to colleagues. Three people came up to me during that shift, giving me words of comfort. I realized that this nurse, who I rarely saw during that shift, was talking about me with other nurses. Near the end of the shift, I went to the charge nurse to ask her a question and found the nurse I was supposed to be working with talking to the charge nurse. It was obvious that the two of them, plus one more, were talking about me. A little while later I confronted her and she admitted to talking to the charge nurse about me. It was her duty, she said, to weigh in on my performance. In her opinion I should work in Med-Surg. During that shift I took care of two patients and did all the documentation for them as well, well before the end of the shift. I made one mistake with an infusion pump, which was reported back to the manager.

It was in the middle of the next shift that I asked to speak with my manager to discuss my progress. In my opinion, in three weeks I had picked up more than I had in all the time before. I had certainly made mistakes, they were beginner's mistakes, and no patient was ever hurt. In this conversation the manager said ICU wasn't a good fit. It was pointless to argue, so I decided to conduct myself as professionally as possible and to end on friendly terms. The feedback I was given was that I as a nurse I had excellent assessment skills, documentation skills, was detail oriented, was a good communicator with nurses, doctors, and patients, but I needed to work on prioritization skills and basic skills.

The good news is that physically I feel like a huge burden has been lifted from me. I have been sleeping well (whereas before I couldn't sleep through the night) and my stomach is no longer in knots. Maybe I dodged a bullet, but then again, maybe I simply failed.

If you have made it this far, Experienced Nurse, I would really appreciate YOUR feedback.

Where did I go wrong?

What should I have done differently? I don't want to make the same mistakes.

Now that this has ended, how do I talk about it in future job interviews?

Thank you for your input.

Bonnie,

I agree that the management should not have kept an ineffective preceptor but it seems to happen a lot. I ran into when I was more involved in my union and what is posted on here. Hopefully she isn't one now.

The b word is bully. Claiming that you were bullied on here can really set some nurses off as they have very strong opinions about its frequency and whether it even really exists in the classic form in nursing. Some have said that nurses who claim that they've been bullied see themselves as special snowflakes and say nothing that is helpful.

Your post is really good. There is nothing wrong with how you expressed yourself. It is very well written, detailed and not bragging in the slightest. You were clear that your successes came from hard work which is commendable. My point was that too many times nurses come here with real issues, complex painful situations and feeling terrible about themselves and their future but do not get much empathy or kindness from fellow nurses but a pile on that can be hard to read as you are picturing the OP reading knowing that he/she is being made to feel worse. I was very heartened that you received really nice responses from so many nurses but preparing you for what could be coming.

Wow, what an awful experience. It sounds like one nurse had it out for you, and unfortunately influenced the others to follow suit. Put it behind you, but always remember it so you don't become like her.

Specializes in CVICU CCRN.
Bonnie007,

I am a second career RN was in my 40's when I graduated. There do seem to be some issues with older mostly second career and/or degree nurses. I experienced it and witnessed it with others in school yet not on my own unit but know of situations at my hospital where it has and it's on here to an extent as well. I don't understand.

:nurse:

Hey GradNurse -

Would you be willing to share what you've seen/experienced regarding 2nd career nurses having difficulties with unit culture and/or transition to practice? I don't want to hijack the OPs post, but I recently had a very negative experience when trying to transition to a specialty unit from my "home" in cardiac critical care. I'm really trying to understand what led to the issues.

I dont one want to get super specific (and long winded), but there were actually a few incidences bordering on harassment: notes being left in my box and on my car, extreme amounts of gossip, accusations made behind my back that were not related to my work performance. The whole thing completely blindsided me and I'm still reeling from the experience. I never really had a chance to try to work things out with the two people involved, because by the time I was aware of what was going on, things had really blown up and I was scared to make things worse. Management acknowledged that there were issues and that unit morale had been poor, but she never really addressed the problem; tons of politics involved. When I asked her for feedback and her take on the situation before I transferred out, she was sort of generically supportive, if that makes sense.

I didnt have negative experiences in CCU/CVICU, nor did I have any interpersonal problems in my previous career. However, I did have some rough times with one or two people while working in the OR - nowhere near what I just experienced, but wildly fluctuating feedback. Some people thought I made an amazing transition and raved about me to my manager; others thought that I was a terrible fit and everything short of incompetent, yet they couldn't pinpoint performance deficits. This leads me to believe that my personality must provoke a strong negative response in some people.

My concern is that I am somehow presenting myself in a way that rubs people wrong. I tried to go in to my specialty critical care role putting my best foot forward: confident, but not overly so. Well-read and prepared, but not a know it all. Friendly and outgoing, but not obnoxious. Two ears, two eyes, one mouth.

I've always been pretty self-reflective by nature and now I'm really concerned. I'm basically afraid to branch out in my nursing career, because I feel that I must have a flaw I'm not recognizing. That said, there was definitely some bad behavior on the other side of this, and management issues as well. Huge issues with staff turnover on a unit that didn't have an open position for nearly 10 years.

Anyway... do you have any opinions on what makes older, second career nurses a more difficult fit? Anything that has stood out to you? I'm pretty bummed out at the moment because I absolutely love high acuity care and have been told by other preceptors and managers that my skills are a good fit for those types of positions... I would love to work trauma icu or transport.

OP, I'm sorry that you have had a bad experience. I wish I had some advice besides hang in there and stay positive. I believe you will find the right place; our CCU team is amazing and has always been super welcoming to people no matter their background. You're certainly not alone! I feel lucky that in most ways my transition to practice was uneventful and I was welcomed by a supportive team. Good luck to you - I hope you find your niche without further struggle!!

Specializes in ICU/ER/trauma.

Nurses eat their young, I wish this would change.

I had a difficult time in orientation in an SICU 5 years ago. The people that give you the hardest time, and are the most critical are the ones that will have your back in the most difficult times in your future. Problem is you feel like you're being killed, physically and mentally. And to a point you are.

Don't let it discourage you. After a year or two, new nurses come to the unit, and the DeathEaters go after them, and put you on the backburner.

Just don't turn into one of them. And if you see a struggling new orient in a state of distress, approach them privately and empathize. You just needed someone in your court, and it's too bad nobody was there to support you.

I remember how terrible I felt for the better part of a year, but now some of the nurses that were so critical of me then are now a rock solid backbone for which to rely on.

Specializes in GENERAL.

OP: I have found that the nurses that are very good at what they do are most often comfortable and confident enough to want to pass on this knowledge to someone else.

It is up to the manager and those nurses who express a desire to teach to be specifically selected to undertake this awesome task.

So to a degree I see your situation as mostly a managerial failure.

You are obviously a very smart person and in the eyes of some people instead of appreciating your type of quick-take interest in learning maybe you should just dumb yourself down and join the crowd; or maybe not.

That is if I'm reading this thing right.

I am so sorry that you had such a horrible experience! While there are some comments here that I agree with there are several that I do not agree with. I feel like that the information that you provided describes a unit that was dysfunctional and had issues to resolve before they even accepted new graduate nurses. I think that you should not give up on your dream to become an ICU nurse. I had a professor in nursing school tell me that I was not going to make a good nurse. She is the only one I ever had any problems with. I too am a second-degree nurse and graduated from nursing school later in my life. I had accolades from all of my instructors except for one. I went on to become an ICU nurse right out of graduating from my BSN program. I have been there since 2009 and it was the best decision I have ever made. I think that you need to pursue your dreams of becoming an ICU nurse. Shadow on several different units and find a unit that matches you and your personality. I work in a very large system and there are several ICUs I found my niche at one of the smaller hospitals, as opposed to being at the main hospital. Based on your description of the unit it, sounds to me that you were not trained properly from the beginning. Like I said shadow on several different units talk to the nurses, especially new nurses. Get their opinion of management, of their preceptors and of the orientation process. On my unit I am a nursing leader, I do charge, I am champion for many committees, and I am going to pursue my CCRN in the next six weeks. Please do not let this experience overshadow what you really want to do. I was ready to quit nursing school because of one instructor telling me that she did not feel like I was good enough to be a nurse. And seven years later I am a leader on my unit. You just have to find the right unit that fits you and your what your goals are as a nurse. I wish you the very best of luck and would love to hear what you end up doing. Please don't give up. The unit you were on should never of had new grad nurses! The things that you were being reprimanded for... you should have learned from the beginning from an adequate preceptor. You can find that on many units at many hospitals; keep looking and good luck! :yes:

Thank you, ICUnurse0301. Thank you for sharing your own story and thank you for your encouragement. I will carry your words with me.

I am so sorry that you had this experience, however, there are a couple of flags for me as far as your manager being correct in that maybe ICU was not the best fit for you. I may get some negative flack for this post, but I feel it needs to be pointed out.

First, you admit to being a passive person, and your actions with numerous preceptors highlights this fact. But working in an ICU, you can't be passive. Passive nurses tend to get eaten up in that setting, both by other nurses, doctors, and patients. The worst patients and situations are thrown at you, and you have to be able to speak up and be heard above the fray. It seems like your preceptors and peers picked up on this passivity early on, and jumped at it. I am not one of those people who thinks that lateral aggression/bullying doesn't exist - it absolutely does. And in this case, it seems you were a victim because you were too passive. As a relatively new grad myself in an ICU setting, I have been fortunate to not have experienced that myself, but I have seen others fall victim.

The second flag for me was the levophed gtt. You stated that at that point in your orientation, you were already taking the full patient load of 2/3 patients each shift. I'm assuming taking on the full workload, this should mean management of critical gtts. You went back in the next paragraph and seemed to blame the preceptor for the gtt running out. If those patients were your responsibility, you should have noted the volume of the gtt, rate of infusion, etc, and anticipated the need for another bag. At that point in your orientation, you may not have known the exact pharmacology of the gtt, but you should know the basics - it's a pressor to keep BP up, and it's important to not let run dry! They are critical gtts for a reason. Even if it wasn't a critical gtt, you shouldn't have infusions running dry anyway, whether it be fluids or antibiotics. Part of the assessment of a critical patient should include an assessment of the IV medications/fluids, pump settings, etc.

What this highlights to me is you aren't accepting responsibility and that you may not have the critical thinking part of assessing a patient down yet. You seem to mention numerous times in your post how good you were at tasks and charting, but critical care is measures beyond just task-oriented nursing. You have to assess the situation, anticipate interventions and responses, know medications and what they are for, etc. You can't just approach it from a task-based front. Accepting responsibility is also important. You have to own your mistakes and shortcomings. In this situation, things certainly seemed stacked against you, based on your view, but that doesn't necessarily mean you were without fault.

Having said all of that, that does not mean you aren't a good nurse, just that ICU is not the right fit. And that doesn't mean ICU won't be a good fit forever, but right now, it just doesn't seem to be a good fit. You mentioned several times in your post that you felt that your skills weren't up to par or were behind others. Find a position and facility where you can get those skills up to par. Look into hospitals with a residency program for new grads. They tend to offer classes and longer orientations with weekly feedback reports, as well as mentoring.

Best of luck to you in finding your fit!

I was steadily given more responsibility, feeling overwhelmed sometimes, but happy to finally have the opportunity to learn what I needed to learn. I thought I was making great progress. By the fourth or fifth shift together, preceptor 2 left the unit to make a phone call, leaving me in charge of two patients. One of those patients was on levophed. The levophed ran out shortly before preceptor number 2 came back from her phone call, and then it was my fault that the patient's BP dropped. Somehow I felt this was unfair, but I accepted responsibility for it, had bad dreams about it, and spoke with preceptor number 2 about it. Her reply was that I should have learned all about levophed in school.

That is absolutely a patient safety issue. Your patient could have died and it would be your preceptor's and your fault. Maybe it was wrong of your preceptor to leave you unattended, but you were at nearly 2 months into orientation at that point? It sounds like this is a pretty toxic unit, but regardless of the circumstances - there is something wrong if an orientee that does not understand the danger of a vasoactive drip running dry. That is day-one critical care basics. Make sure your vent is working, make sure your gtts are infusing, make sure your alarms are set. If these things are not done, your patient may die and it will be your fault. No ifs ands or buts.

Nurses do eat their young and this problem is only magnified in critical care settings. However there is a very good reason critical care nurses are so protective of their patients. Physicians, residents, nurses, and family members all have the potential to KILL our patients with very minor mistakes.

It doesn't sound like you understand the gravity of your mistake and how close you came to killing a patient. Yes it would ultimately be your preceptors fault for not properly "supervising" you, but your preceptor must have had a certain degree of trust in you if they felt comfortable leaving the unit. If you did not feel comfortable caring for those patients without your preceptor, it was your responsibility to say so.

Thank you for your comments. They are very helpful.

These are very useful comments.

I am not passive. Another poster described my actions as passive. I accepted responsibility for the mistake with levophed both in 'real life' and in my post.

Being new to nursing, I really had no idea how nurses interact with each other, how units function, what is expected, and by whom, and the dynamics of a particular group of people. It was a new world. My own experiences and the posts I have read in this forum have taught me a lot about the nursing world.

My concept of a good preceptor, now that I have a better idea of what a nursing unit really is, is one that is a good model and a good teacher. Unfortunately, I did not have a preceptor who was a good model or teacher.

In addition to being a poor model/teacher, she/he was like that teacher you had in school that made you feel that you could never be a good athlete, or you were bad at math or English. Before that teacher, you always thought your athletic/math/English abilities were okay. Now.....well, you have the idea your abilities are solid, but your confidence has taken a hit.

Also, if you don't have a good model and teacher, how do you learn how to take what you have learned in the classroom and apply it on the floor? What if your preceptor doesn't explain how a vent works? Doesn't explain how the infusion pump works? How an art line works? How she/he prioritizes? That you need to do twice as much charting as what she/he explains? (You find this out on your own, as you do almost all other things.) How to enter orders, consults, etc in the system? What if he/she doesn't let you talk to doctors or let doctors talk to you? What if your preceptor him/herself does not give proper patient care? Where do you learn that? Books? Internet? Quietly watching what other nurses do?

Now you have a better preceptor. That preceptor makes it clear that he/she thinks you shouldn't be here because you are a new grad, but he/she does a better job of teaching. After two shifts he/she gives you two patients and she/he is a backup. Are you now going to know how to give perfect patient care in a timely fashion? Will you be able to perform as new nurse who has had proper teaching and mentoring? No. If you haven't had the opportunity to practice these skills, then you won't perform them perfectly. Just as the child who has been told by one teacher over the course of many months that she/he isn't athletic won't be able to run a race as well as the child who has been coached and trained well.

However, your comments and those of others above are very useful. There is no sarcasm in my statement. I now have a much better understanding of the expectations that other nurses have. I do not agree with them, but it is very useful information.

I'm sorry that you had this experience. I think llg gave you good advice.

In many areas of the country it is very difficult for new graduates to even get hired in hospitals into med-surg units, let alone speciality units such as ICU, where patients are critically ill, where training is very expensive to provide, and where there is very little room for error. This is one of the realities of nursing that may not hear about in nursing school. I am guessing that you live in a part of the US where there is considerable competition amongst new graduates for desirable nursing jobs.

Since there is no shortage of eligible candidates, it is up to each individual to develop the abilities and personal qualities that will lead to preceptors, co-workers, supervisors, managers, physicians, everyone you interact with in your job, regarding you favorably and seeing you as a desirable team mate. This is not easy to do, and may require a lot of reflection. From the point of view of the employer's responsibility to you as a new nurse, it is not guaranteed that one will have suitable preceptors, or that one's co-workers or management will be supportive of one, thus I think it is wise to try to learn what you can about the facility/unit before you accept a job, and gauge beforehand how well you are likely to be supported as a new nurse. If before you even accept a job you can see unfavorable signs, I think it is wise to look else where for a job. My experience is that things do not get better, and in fact get worse.

Being a good student and having previous success in one's previous career should give one confidence, but is not a reliable gauge of whether you will be successful as a nurse.

You may need to start, as many new graduates have to, in a less acute but still very demanding area, such as long term care, and then after you have gained experience try to obtain employment in your desired specialty area. Your post indicates to me that you had only considered starting in the specialty of your choice, ICU, but if you want to work as a nurse it may be necessary to begin in an area where there is a demand for new graduate nurses. Keep a good attitude and try to learn as much as you can; there will be plenty to learn, and areas such as long term care will provide very good experience in critical thinking, prioritization, and time management, and you will have the opportunity to become competent with many nursing skills.

Best wishes to you. I believe your situation is quite common, and while unfortunate it does not mean that you will not be able to attain your goal of working in ICU; it just means that you may have to take a more circuitous instead of a direct route to get there. This is a reality for many new nurses.

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