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Cross-cultural Cooperation - This reminiscence is dedicated to my buddy Jack and all his fellow soldiers in Iraq. May God keep them safe and bring them home safe. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

W. was my Chief Flight Nurse a while back. He's an interesting mix of history and characteristics. He served in the US Army Airborne, went to nursing school after discharge, got his ACNP, worked as a flight nurse and then as our Chief. Eventually, he returned to the military full-time and is presently stationed in overseas. W. is also a convert to Islam.

Not too many down-home Southwest All-American boys choose to become Muslims. To this day, I still don't clearly understand what made him take this step a few years ago before we met. But the story gets stranger.

I am an Orthodox Jew. Most of my adult life has been spent working in religious education and community work. I work part-time as an RN and a paramedic. I am a veteran of the Israel Defense Forces, where I served as an infantry soldier and combat medical specialist. Quite simply, much (though not all) of my contact with Muslims has been antagonistic, even violent and deadly. And now here we were, the two of us working together in close quarters, Chief and crew member.

The truth is that, despite clear religious differences, Islam and Judaism have many shared values. Both are Middle Eastern cultures with a strong emphasis on religious discipline, on devotion to God, on personal modesty. Both cultures expect their adherents to devote regular times each day to prayer and study, and to stick to a particular dietary code. Neither culture is really very well known or understood in most of America.

I don't know if W. was really all that strict about his adherence to the requirements of Islam. I can't tell, and it isn't for me to judge. But I admired his courage in choosing such a path, and I sympathized with the difficulties of staying such a course each day in a Southwestern city and workplace where almost no one could really identify with his challenges. So, in addition to becoming coworkers and friends, we started to look out for each other in little ways.

The Muslim diet is particular and absolutely forbids ingredients such as pork. Until fairly recently, Halal food for the Muslim diet was difficult to find or verify in many locales. But Muslims in America have in the past often bought kosher food marketed for observant Jews, knowing that it won't contain anything forbidden to them as well. I can remember as a young man that Muslims would order kosher airline meals when traveling. With this in mind, I would share my meals with W. I eat only kosher food and bring all my food from home as there are no kosher restaurants for hundreds of miles in any direction. Occasionally, my wife would send along a little something special 'extra'. When we would buy kosher meat, I would offer to get some for him.

Our company often flies long missions, ranging from places in Mexico or South America up into Canada. Since I never know what the availability of kosher food will be, I pack my own along the way. If we happen to land in a city with a large Jewish community, I'll try to get to a kosher restaurant for a meal. I also would try to grab a little something to bring back as a treat for my wife. Now, I added W. to the list.

Similarly, when our flights were extended missions, we sometimes flew back through our home base to get fuel or switch out pilots. W. would always be sure to check if I needed him to go into my stuff at the base and bring me food or maybe religious articles for the rest of the trip.

When we were at the base, W. always made his office available to me to have a quiet place to pray. Observant Jews pray three regular times a day. Muslims pray five. He understood my desire for an undisturbed place for a few minutes to fulfill my obligations at the appropriate times, and always offered it. (I have to say; on this score, I've always been fortunate. Today, in the ED, my best bud is a Baptist minister's wife. She will often offer, of her own volition, to watch my patients for a few minutes to allow me time for my evening prayers. Thanks, J!)

Beyond the technical or formalistic things like prayer or food where we helped each other, we provided a certain sympathy and encouragement to each other. Our need to stay the course of our religious paths, to strive for the faithful expression of our relationship with and obligations to God - all these sometimes need support. W. and I, the Muslim and the Jew, had common grounds to help and support each other in these aspirations.

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Not just a matter of education, friends. An unusual number of Muslim terrorist leaders had/have college degrees. More than a few were even physicians!

When you say 'educated', what you really mean is convinced to a particular view of Islam. They well know that they subscribe to a particular view, and that there are other views, of Islam. They are not lacking information. They are aware, and convinced that their particular Islam-derived ideology is correct. What's more, this seems to be increasing. I can remember when the Pakistanis I knew were angry with Arab Muslims. They used to tell me how the majority of the world's Muslims are not Arabs, and subscribe to a far more peaceful version of Islam. Today, the Pakistanis are becoming radicalized en masse.

Again, this isn't because of lack of 'education'. I wish it were that simple.

Interesting and truthfull... :yeah:You are comparing 11th century history with modern day facts. The goal to increase worldwide education and socioeconomic reform that strengthens the truth of islam.. Could that interpreted as a goal of Sharia ? Muslims I speak to about terrorism simply say that those muslims who commit those acts are not muslims.. So what gives ? And then they refer to Tim MCvay, who was agnostic according to his own dog tags as a Christain as an example. So what gives ? How about working on those terrorists who commit those acts and reform Islam as it is now ? I dont need any education and socioeconomic reform , I am already free minded.

The goals of Shariah law are to establish socio-economic balance in a nation or state.

Yes, Islam has a truly socialist ideology!

I will never say that any Muslim is not a Muslim regardless of what he does. I do not know his heart, I do not know his soul and I do not know WHY he is doing what he is doing. That is between him and Allah alone. All I can say is that Islam does not teach him to do what he is doing.

Terrorism knows no religion. Terrorism is the use of or threat of violence to achieve a political or economic goal. There are now and have been terrorists of all religions and those devoid of religion.

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, etc etc etc... the list goes on and on.

As I see it Islam does not need reform, it needs to go back to the way it was BEFORE these people reformed it to shape their political ends.

Nothing good has ever come from anyone at any time using religion to enforce politics.

Living in the Philippines now I can see how destructive the attitude of the Spanish and the American occupational forces were in enforcing "Christianity" on the people. By contrast, Islam spread through trade and commerce in the Island with no bloodshed on the historical record. The same way it spread into China (where there are still more Muslims than in all of Saudi Arabia).

Not just a matter of education, friends. An unusual number of Muslim terrorist leaders had/have college degrees. More than a few were even physicians!

When you say 'educated', what you really mean is convinced to a particular view of Islam. They well know that they subscribe to a particular view, and that there are other views, of Islam. They are not lacking information. They are aware, and convinced that their particular Islam-derived ideology is correct. What's more, this seems to be increasing. I can remember when the Pakistanis I knew were angry with Arab Muslims. They used to tell me how the majority of the world's Muslims are not Arabs, and subscribe to a far more peaceful version of Islam. Today, the Pakistanis are becoming radicalized en masse.

Again, this isn't because of lack of 'education'. I wish it were that simple.

You misunderstand. The leaders know full well what they are doing.

The footsoldiers, the muscle, the triggermen... these are the ones who are poor, uneducated and exploited.

If you want to look at who to blame for the Taliban, look to the US government who funded radical schools teaching violent interpretations of Jihad (a concept which originally only meant an internal, spiritual struggle) through the 1980s in order to eradicate the Soviet Union's presence.

Layers on top of layers on top of layers.

There are no simple answers.

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I agree- a Harvard education does not necessarily make one "educated".

There are "educated" people who steal, murder, cheat on their taxes, lie, cheat on their spouses despite understanding the harm they are doing to their children etc., etc., etc.

A Muslim and a Jew behaving in the way that Jesus commands Christians to behave! This simple testamony out-shines many a Sunday sermon. We could solve the world's problems by being good to one another in ways just like this. Why don't we all just do it?

Jesus might have commanded that, but unfortunately, many did not follow his teachings. (Take the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition for examples)

Of course, there are people in every religion and culture that will hate others simply for being "others"

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I don't think it's a "simple" as education as pointed out by previous posters- how doctors can engage in terrorism is beyond me.... but I digress. Anytime you have fanatacism- believing that only your point of view is correct to the point of killing over it- correlates with terrorism. What is it about some people's belief that they, and ONLY they carry the truth or are right? To admit one is wrong, or to accept a different point of view from one's own is the "biggest" thing a person can do. I am not Muslim or Buddist, etc, but I sure don't feel the need to convert anyone to my belief. If you want to know what I believe, I'll be happy to tell you, otherwise it's between me and G-d.

Wonder how many lives would have been saved, dollars not spent and damage not caused if we weren't running around trying to change people... Just a thought.

I don't think it's a "simple" as education as pointed out by previous posters- how doctors can engage in terrorism is beyond me.... but I digress. Anytime you have fanatacism- believing that only your point of view is correct to the point of killing over it- correlates with terrorism. What is it about some people's belief that they, and ONLY they carry the truth or are right? To admit one is wrong, or to accept a different point of view from one's own is the "biggest" thing a person can do. I am not Muslim or Buddist, etc, but I sure don't feel the need to convert anyone to my belief. If you want to know what I believe, I'll be happy to tell you, otherwise it's between me and G-d.

Wonder how many lives would have been saved, dollars not spent and damage not caused if we weren't running around trying to change people... Just a thought.

Now that you mentioned that I would like to share an interesting fact. I'm not sure if you know, but according to Jewish Law, Jews are prohibited from recruiting people from other religions to convert. Furthermore, even if someone wishes to convert to Judaism, they have to be turned away and dissuaded at least 3 times to ensure that person is absolutely committed.

I am not Muslim or Buddist, etc, but I sure don't feel the need to convert anyone to my belief. If you want to know what I believe, I'll be happy to tell you, otherwise it's between me and G-d.

Actually that's the Islamic approach. As Muslims we are commanded by Allah in the Qur'an "There shall be no coersion in matters of religion." No qualifiers, no ifs ands or buts.

Anyone who forcibly converts someone is doing so outside the law of Islam and is committing a great sin.

The only time repentance and conversion is necessary according to Islamic law is when a non-Muslim (single or group) has been attacking a Muslim (single or group) and that conversion to Islam is required as part of the peacemaking treaty. However, if a Muslim initiates an attack then he/she must pay a restitution to the victim and be subject to punishment under Islamic law.

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Actually that's the Islamic approach. As Muslims we are commanded by Allah in the Qur'an "There shall be no coersion in matters of religion." No qualifiers, no ifs ands or buts.

Anyone who forcibly converts someone is doing so outside the law of Islam and is committing a great sin.

The only time repentance and conversion is necessary according to Islamic law is when a non-Muslim (single or group) has been attacking a Muslim (single or group) and that conversion to Islam is required as part of the peacemaking treaty. However, if a Muslim initiates an attack then he/she must pay a restitution to the victim and be subject to punishment under Islamic law.

2009, Forced Conversions, Sharia Law, Makes me wonder.

2009, Forced Conversions, Sharia Law, Makes me wonder.

You want to talk about religious oppression? Do you really want to open that door?

Go through the CAIR files (CAIR is the Council on American Islamic Relations) and see how many court cases have had to be fought in the USA by Muslim-Americans in the last three years merely wanting to exercise their religious freedom.

We are talking about men and women who are beaten, abused, refused jobs, fired from jobs, barred from travel, refused service in government facilities, etc for doing nothing more than observing basic religious rules such as daily prayer, beard or head covering.

Hey people! accusing another person when being accused just shows the accuser does not have a good answer.

Every religion has been abused and tortured (some more and some less) for practicing religion at one point in history or another. Nobody could escape that. The question here was on forced conversions. The truth is that a forced conversion remains the same no matter the reason it was done. Honestly, individuals that were forced are not true converts. Their hearts are not there. Believes cannot be forced! People have to be truly committed to the conversion.

This means that if an individual converts because of various pressures, may it be torture of the promise of financial or emotional help, this individual has converted for the wrong reasons. And not because of his/her deep believes.

2009, Forced Conversions, Sharia Law, Makes me wonder.

I don't know any other ways to say it. I've said it before. If you want to bring some actual evidence to the contrary than please do but the fact remains that forced conversions are 100% against Islamic Law as I specifically explained above.

So what about Sharia Law? It is an outline of specific punishments for specific crimes in the community. Sharia Law texts were consulted by the founding fathers of the USA when establishing the codes of Law; that is why Muhammad is depicted on the Department of Justice sculptures.