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W. was my Chief Flight Nurse a while back. He's an interesting mix of history and characteristics. He served in the US Army Airborne, went to nursing school after discharge, got his ACNP, worked as a flight nurse and then as our Chief. Eventually, he returned to the military full-time and is presently stationed in overseas. W. is also a convert to Islam.

Not too many down-home Southwest All-American boys choose to become Muslims. To this day, I still don't clearly understand what made him take this step a few years ago before we met. But the story gets stranger.

I am an Orthodox Jew. Most of my adult life has been spent working in religious education and community work. I work part-time as an RN and a paramedic. I am a veteran of the Israel Defense Forces, where I served as an infantry soldier and combat medical specialist. Quite simply, much (though not all) of my contact with Muslims has been antagonistic, even violent and deadly. And now here we were, the two of us working together in close quarters, Chief and crew member.

The truth is that, despite clear religious differences, Islam and Judaism have many shared values. Both are Middle Eastern cultures with a strong emphasis on religious discipline, on devotion to God, on personal modesty. Both cultures expect their adherents to devote regular times each day to prayer and study, and to stick to a particular dietary code. Neither culture is really very well known or understood in most of America.

I don't know if W. was really all that strict about his adherence to the requirements of Islam. I can't tell, and it isn't for me to judge. But I admired his courage in choosing such a path, and I sympathized with the difficulties of staying such a course each day in a Southwestern city and workplace where almost no one could really identify with his challenges. So, in addition to becoming coworkers and friends, we started to look out for each other in little ways.

The Muslim diet is particular and absolutely forbids ingredients such as pork. Until fairly recently, Halal food for the Muslim diet was difficult to find or verify in many locales. But Muslims in America have in the past often bought kosher food marketed for observant Jews, knowing that it won't contain anything forbidden to them as well. I can remember as a young man that Muslims would order kosher airline meals when traveling. With this in mind, I would share my meals with W. I eat only kosher food and bring all my food from home as there are no kosher restaurants for hundreds of miles in any direction. Occasionally, my wife would send along a little something special 'extra'. When we would buy kosher meat, I would offer to get some for him.

Our company often flies long missions, ranging from places in Mexico or South America up into Canada. Since I never know what the availability of kosher food will be, I pack my own along the way. If we happen to land in a city with a large Jewish community, I'll try to get to a kosher restaurant for a meal. I also would try to grab a little something to bring back as a treat for my wife. Now, I added W. to the list.

Similarly, when our flights were extended missions, we sometimes flew back through our home base to get fuel or switch out pilots. W. would always be sure to check if I needed him to go into my stuff at the base and bring me food or maybe religious articles for the rest of the trip.

When we were at the base, W. always made his office available to me to have a quiet place to pray. Observant Jews pray three regular times a day. Muslims pray five. He understood my desire for an undisturbed place for a few minutes to fulfill my obligations at the appropriate times, and always offered it. (I have to say; on this score, I've always been fortunate. Today, in the ED, my best bud is a Baptist minister's wife. She will often offer, of her own volition, to watch my patients for a few minutes to allow me time for my evening prayers. Thanks, J!)

Beyond the technical or formalistic things like prayer or food where we helped each other, we provided a certain sympathy and encouragement to each other. Our need to stay the course of our religious paths, to strive for the faithful expression of our relationship with and obligations to God - all these sometimes need support. W. and I, the Muslim and the Jew, had common grounds to help and support each other in these aspirations.

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When you write about your past experiences in the Israeli Army as having mostly antagonistic experiences with Moslems. I would like to share that my son is in the |Israli army now, finishing Officers training and his experiences with Arab Moslems aren't all antagonistic. Many just want to live their lives peacefully but lack the ability to overthrow the fanatics, Poverty is rampant despite the fact that they all can work in Israel because money donated to help them doesnt get to them- it is diverted for weapons and personal use of terrorists. Here is a letter from an Israeli soldier I know after the recent war.

This letter was written by a neighbor's son when he returned from Gaza . It has been translated from Hebrew.

An Open Letter to A citizen Of Gaza :

I Am the Soldier Who Slept In Your Home:

By: Yishai G (reserve soldier)

Hello,

While the world watches the ruins in Gaza , you return to your home which remains standing. However, I am sure that it is clear to you that someone was in your home while you were away.

I am that someone.

I spent long hours imagining how you would react when you walked into your home. How you would feel when you understood that IDF soldiers had slept on your mattresses and used your blankets to keep warm.

I knew that it would make you angry and sad and that you would feel this violation of the most intimate areas of your life by those defined as your enemies, with stinging humiliation. I am convinced that you hate me with unbridled hatred, and you do not have even the tiniest desire to hear what I have to say. At the same time, it is important for me to say the following in the hope that there is even the minutest chance that you will hear me.

I spent many days in your home. You and your family's presence was felt in every corner. I saw your family portraits on the wall, and I thought of my family. I saw your wife's perfume bottles on the bureau, and I thought of my wife. I saw your children's toys and their English language schoolbooks. I saw your personal computer and how you set up the modem and wireless phone next to the screen, just as I do.

I wanted you to know that despite the immense disorder you found in your house that was created during a search for explosives and tunnels (which were indeed found in other homes), we did our best to treat your possessions with respect. When I moved the computer table, I disconnected the cables and lay them down neatly on the floor, as I would do with my own computer. I even covered the computer from dust with a piece of cloth. I tried to put back the clothes that fell when we moved the closet although not the same as you would have done, but at least in such a way that nothing would get lost.

I know that the devastation, the bullet holes in your walls and the destruction of those homes near you place my descriptions in a ridiculous light. Still, I need you to understand me, us, and hope that you will channel your anger and criticism to the right places.

I decided to write you this letter specifically because I stayed in your home.

I can surmise that you are intelligent and educated and there are those in your household that are university students. Your children learn English, and you are connected to the Internet. You are not ignorant; you know what is going on around you.

Therefore, I am sure you know that Quassam rockets were launched from your neighborhood into Israeli towns and cities.

How could you see these weekly launches and not think that one day we would say "enough"?! Did you ever consider that it is perhaps wrong to launch rockets at innocent civilians trying to lead a normal life, much like you? How long did you think we would sit back without reacting?

I can hear you saying "it's not me, it's Hamas". My intuition tells me you are not their most avid supporter. If you look closely at the sad reality in which your people live, and you do not try to deceive yourself or make excuses about "occupation", you must certainly reach the conclusion that the Hamas is your real enemy.

The reality is so simple, even a seven year old can understand: Israel withdrew from the Gaza strip, removing military bases and its citizens from Gush Katif. Nonetheless, we continued to provide you with electricity, water, and goods (and this I know very well as during my reserve duty I guarded the border crossings more than once, and witnessed hundreds of trucks full of goods entering a blockade-free Gaza every day).

Despite all this, for reasons that cannot be understood and with a lack of any rational logic, Hamas launched missiles on Israeli towns. For three years we clenched our teeth and restrained ourselves. In the end, we could not take it anymore and entered the Gaza strip, into your neighborhood, in order to remove those who want to kill us. A reality that is painful but very easy to explain.

As soon as you agree with me that Hamas is your enemy and because of them, your people are miserable, you will also understand that the change must come from within. I am acutely aware of the fact that what I say is easier to write than to do, but I do not see any other way. You, who are connected to the world and concerned about your children's education, must lead, together with your friends, a civil uprising against Hamas.

I swear to you, that if the citizens of Gaza were busy paving roads, building schools, opening factories and cultural institutions instead of dwelling in self pity, arms smuggling and nurturing a hatred to your Israeli neighbors, your homes would not be in ruins right now. If your leaders were not corrupt and motivated by hatred, your home would not have been harmed. If someone would have stood up and shouted that there is no point in launching missiles on innocent civilians, I would not have to stand in your kitchen as a soldier.

You don't have money, you tell me? You have more than you can imagine.

Even before Hamas took control of Gaza , during the time of Yasser Arafat, millions if not billions of dollars donated by the world community to the Palestinians was used for purchasing arms or taken directly to your leaders bank accounts. Gulf States , the emirates - your brothers, your flesh and blood, are some of the richest nations in the world. If there was even a small feeling of solidarity between Arab nations, if these nations had but the smallest interest in reconstructing the Palestinian people - your situation would be very different.

You must be familiar with Singapore . The land mass there is not much larger than the Gaza strip, it is considered the second most populated country in the world. Yet, Singapore is a successful, prospering, and well managed country. Why not the same for you?

My friend, I would like to call you by name, but I will not do so publicly. I want you to know that I am 100% at peace with what my country did, what my army did, and what I did. However, I feel your pain. I am sorry for the destruction you are finding in your neighborhood at this moment. On a personal level, I did what I could to minimize the damage to your home as much as possible.

In my opinion, we have a lot more in common than you might imagine. I am a civilian, not a soldier, and in my private life I have nothing to do with the military. However, I have an obligation to leave my home, put on a uniform, and protect my family every time we are attacked. I have no desire to be in your home wearing a uniform again and I would be more than happy to sit with you as a guest on your beautiful balcony, drinking sweet tea seasoned with the sage growing in your garden.

The only person who could make that dream a reality is you. Take responsibility for yourself, your family, your people, and start to take control of your destiny. How? I do not know. Maybe there is something to be learned from the Jewish people who rose up from the most destructive human tragedy of the 20th century, and instead of sinking into self-pity, built a flourishing and prospering country. It is possible, and it is in your hands. I am ready to be there to provide a shoulder of support and help to you.

But only you can move the wheels of history.

Regards,

Yishai, (Reserve Soldier)

You should know that most people want peace, if terrorists could be contained or neutralized who knows, but the arabs I am friendly with tell me that they are unable to see that happening- on G-d can help bring peace here!!

Thanks for your story

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Chavi, in principle I agree with you. As a young man in the 70s and early 80s we hiked the hills, stopping in Arab villages to buy a drink and cool off, maybe ask directions. We never had serious problems. As a soldier in south Lebanon, we worked well and closely with Christian Arabs. They, however, were often fighting for their lives with their Muslim neighbours. But I have to say too, that I remember regularly hearing the incitement (including "kill the Jews") heard every Friday without fail from the muezzin's loudspeakers in the Old City of Jerusalem. I remember well when my friend and colleague Tzvi Glatt and others were killed while walking home from Friday night Sabbath services. An entire neighbourhood emptied or shut shutters and doors as if they knew what some of them were about to do to the Jews on their way from synagogue. I remember my own experience having to watch my back every day on my way to studies in seminary, or to Friday night services at a spot where Jews had prayed for hundreds of years. So, it is a mixed bag. And certainly when we faced people like Arafat's PLO or the Syrian Commando, we were confronted with antagonists. It is hard to deny that much of the Arab, especially Muslim, population we know has been 'radicalized' over the last two decades or more. This is true not only in the Middle Eastern countries, but in countries in the Far East as well. Sadly, this has brought horrible violence among themselves; not just aimed at us.

As you know, Jewish and Arab health care providers work side by side every day and night in Israel. Patients benefit from good care, and know it; no matter who the patient or provider is. But many places we go for business or pleasure, we do so with a bit of trepidation. That is not normal. Anywhere.

Again, I recognize it is a mixed bag. My point was mostly in showing the stark contrast between my sometimes threatening coexistence with Muslims previously; and my friendship and real support with a coworker, boss, and fellow health care provider. I am grateful for his friendship on a personal level, and a larger coexistential level. I know, for sure, that you and other providers presently working in Israel could tell similar stories of friendship, cooperation, and support. I think what makes my story a little different is that W. and I are both 'minorities' in the American sector. I can't imagine sometimes how he manages back in the US military full time. Talk about a minority, and a lonely religious existence!

BTW, did you all know that in Germany (Ramstein AFB, IIRC) Muslims and Jews use the same building for prayer on base? It was dedicated a few years ago.

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BTW when you talk about working side by side, when there is a terrorist attack and many are hurt- Jews, Muslims, Druse, Christians etc. alike (after all a bomb cant tell the difference) here in the Israeli hospitals, the Arabs (doctors, nurses etc.) are clinking glasses of wine and cheering. It is pathetic. As Health Care professionals you would expect them to mourn the loss of life and the suffering of the survivors, victims and their families. I can tell you that when the Arabs are suffering- we dont take pleasure out of it. It is painful that these measures have to be taken. As soon as a ceasefire is called we send in medical professionals to provide care and supplies.

I remember during 9-11 in the states, there were Pakistanis and Arabs who applauded and celebrated the tragedy.

When will we learn that we are all born in G-ds image, we must all treat each other with the utmost care and concern.

As Nurses, I suggest we take Medic09's example and one by one improve world peace.

Thanks for sharing your story.

BTW when you talk about working side by side, when there is a terrorist attack and many are hurt- Jews, Muslims, Druse, Christians etc. alike (after all a bomb cant tell the difference) here in the Israeli hospitals, the Arabs (doctors, nurses etc.) are clinking glasses of wine and cheering. It is pathetic. As Health Care professionals you would expect them to mourn the loss of life and the suffering of the survivors, victims and their families. I can tell you that when the Arabs are suffering- we dont take pleasure out of it. It is painful that these measures have to be taken. As soon as a ceasefire is called we send in medical professionals to provide care and supplies.

I remember during 9-11 in the states, there were Pakistanis and Arabs who applauded and celebrated the tragedy.

When will we learn that we are all born in G-ds image, we must all treat each other with the utmost care and concern.

As Nurses, I suggest we take Medic09's example and one by one improve world peace.

Thanks for sharing your story.

Have you seen that, achot?

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Have you seen that, achot?

Which that are you talking about- the 9-11 cheering?Yes - in NY, at Pakistani run outlets

Which that are you talking about- the 9-11 cheering?Yes - in NY, at Pakistani run outlets

No, the cheering in hospitals.

I was in NYC, where I lived, at the time of the attacks and I must say my Palestinian grocer, his Egyptian clerk, and the Albanian Muslims with the pizza shop were as stunned and shocked as I was. The most helpful woman at work was Muslim, I don't remember of what original nationality because now she's American. She gave out damp towels from the gym and stayed behind to help get everyone out of the building safely.

I saw the letter yesterday, from Aish.

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Hospital wasn't cheering it was clinking glasses of wine cooler.

Yes, you are right, I agree it is great that people of different religions and beliefs can get along. Some people of some religions take everything in those religions literally. I wont get into a religious discussion with about about the second class status of non muslims in a muslim society, nor will I get into debate with you about those who have converted to your religion and why.

I will celebrate the fact that we can live as decent human beings and learn to appreciate the different cultures, religions, and way of life that each of live, if you can ? To be honest, a part of me is bitter and a part of me is healing. I want the healing part to take place more.

One of the core realities that I try to teach others when I lecture about Islam is that we have to respect the fact that we all come from the same source.

Islam, Judaism and Christianity all respect the same origin of Adam and Eve to Noah then Abraham then Moses, David, Solomon, etc.

I hope and pray that we can all spend more time focusing on the ties that bind us together rather than the few differences that separate us.

I also hope and pray that religious leaders of all faiths stop using religion as a tool to achieve political goals.

It has been done with every religion in the world over the last 1,000 years - that is, the use of religion as a tool to force people out of one area and into another or to occupy another person's land. All political motivations and yet time and again religion is used as an excuse.

Those of us that work in healthcare related industries should especially heed the Jewish and Muslim law which appears in the Qur'an and in Jewish texts as "He who kills a single man, it is as if he has killed the whole world and he who has saved a single man, it is as if he has saved the whole world."

If we focus on saving the lives of those we encounter in physical, mental and spiritual senses then we can hold closer to those truths which bind us all together as humanity.

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One of the core realities that I try to teach others when I lecture about Islam is that we have to respect the fact that we all come from the same source.

Islam, Judaism and Christianity all respect the same origin of Adam and Eve to Noah then Abraham then Moses, David, Solomon, etc.

I hope and pray that we can all spend more time focusing on the ties that bind us together rather than the few differences that separate us.

I also hope and pray that religious leaders of all faiths stop using religion as a tool to achieve political goals.

It has been done with every religion in the world over the last 1,000 years - that is, the use of religion as a tool to force people out of one area and into another or to occupy another person's land. All political motivations and yet time and again religion is used as an excuse.

Those of us that work in healthcare related industries should especially heed the Jewish and Muslim law which appears in the Qur'an and in Jewish texts as "He who kills a single man, it is as if he has killed the whole world and he who has saved a single man, it is as if he has saved the whole world."

If we focus on saving the lives of those we encounter in physical, mental and spiritual senses then we can hold closer to those truths which bind us all together as humanity.

That's wonderful, I am glad to read it, and wish there were more like you.

Perhaps you can explain this call for war and murder of innocent lives that I hear all the time from my Muslim neighbors and coworkers. How does a suicide bomber who calls out "Alla Akbar" resolve to himself that he is killing a whole world? Why do they say that there is great reward awaiting the suicide bomber?

I don't mean to be argumentative or challenging, I just want to know- because it has always puzzled me.

I am sure that there are good and bad in every group, every field, every society. We are all created in G-d's image and deserve respect.

That's wonderful, I am glad to read it, and wish there were more like you.

Perhaps you can explain this call for war and murder of innocent lives that I hear all the time from my Muslim neighbors and coworkers. How does a suicide bomber who calls out "Alla Akbar" resolve to himself that he is killing a whole world? Why do they say that there is great reward awaiting the suicide bomber?

I don't mean to be argumentative or challenging, I just want to know- because it has always puzzled me.

I am sure that there are good and bad in every group, every field, every society. We are all created in G-d's image and deserve respect.

In the Qur'an; Allah makes it clear that the killing of innocents is not tolerated. The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) laid down the rules of conduct for war. These include the prohibitions against killing women, children and non-combatants (essentially anyone NOT carrying a weapon). Additionally there are strict prohibitions against the killing of livestock, destruction of agricultural land and poisoning/damaging of water supplies.

There is NO reward for someone who kills an innocent.

What has happened is that after the line of Caliph was destroyed by Wahabis and European powers corroborating to break down the strength of the Ottoman Empire there was a de-centralization of Islamic law and knowledge.

This breakdown allowed for charismatic and radical people (such as those clinging to the Wahabi traditions who supported the rise of Saudi Arabia) to become the voice for Islam rather than the rationale of the Caliph and his advisory council.

Breakdowns of social structure led to a sharp decline in education which meant that more and more people identifying as Muslim were less and less able to read the Qur'an and discover the truth of our religion for themselves. They then turned to these charismatic leaders with political ambitions and believed the distortions of truth.

Much in the way the Knights Templar distorted the Bible and terrorized non-Christians with murder and mayhem, so these new radicals lashed out at the non-Muslim world that they percieved as guilty for the corrupt socio-economic situation that they languished in.

Therefore.

To end the terrorists abilities to make war and recruit soldiers we must increase and enhance worldwide education and create socioeconomic reform that strengthens the truth of the religion while helping people to become free-minded.

The whole 70 virgins thing? No where in Islamic law do I find ANYTHING such as this.

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In the Qur'an; Allah makes it clear that the killing of innocents is not tolerated. The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) laid down the rules of conduct for war. These include the prohibitions against killing women, children and non-combatants (essentially anyone NOT carrying a weapon). Additionally there are strict prohibitions against the killing of livestock, destruction of agricultural land and poisoning/damaging of water supplies.

There is NO reward for someone who kills an innocent.

What has happened is that after the line of Caliph was destroyed by Wahabis and European powers corroborating to break down the strength of the Ottoman Empire there was a de-centralization of Islamic law and knowledge.

This breakdown allowed for charismatic and radical people (such as those clinging to the Wahabi traditions who supported the rise of Saudi Arabia) to become the voice for Islam rather than the rationale of the Caliph and his advisory council.

Breakdowns of social structure led to a sharp decline in education which meant that more and more people identifying as Muslim were less and less able to read the Qur'an and discover the truth of our religion for themselves. They then turned to these charismatic leaders with political ambitions and believed the distortions of truth.

Much in the way the Knights Templar distorted the Bible and terrorized non-Christians with murder and mayhem, so these new radicals lashed out at the non-Muslim world that they percieved as guilty for the corrupt socio-economic situation that they languished in.

Therefore.

To end the terrorists abilities to make war and recruit soldiers we must increase and enhance worldwide education and create socioeconomic reform that strengthens the truth of the religion while helping people to become free-minded.

The whole 70 virgins thing? No where in Islamic law do I find ANYTHING such as this.

Interesting and truthfull... :yeah:You are comparing 11th century history with modern day facts. The goal to increase worldwide education and socioeconomic reform that strengthens the truth of islam.. Could that interpreted as a goal of Sharia ? Muslims I speak to about terrorism simply say that those muslims who commit those acts are not muslims.. So what gives ? And then they refer to Tim MCvay, who was agnostic according to his own dog tags as a Christain as an example. So what gives ? How about working on those terrorists who commit those acts and reform Islam as it is now ? I dont need any education and socioeconomic reform , I am already free minded.

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Much in the way the Knights Templar distorted the Bible and terrorized non-Christians with murder and mayhem, so these new radicals lashed out at the non-Muslim world that they percieved as guilty for the corrupt socio-economic situation that they languished in.

Therefore.

To end the terrorists abilities to make war and recruit soldiers we must increase and enhance worldwide education and create socioeconomic reform that strengthens the truth of the religion while helping people to become free-minded.

The whole 70 virgins thing? No where in Islamic law do I find ANYTHING such as this.

Again, I wish more thought like you, Education is definitely a key. Of the many Muslims I meet- you are right, the more educated, the more peace-minded. Thank you for your insights.