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W. was my Chief Flight Nurse a while back. He's an interesting mix of history and characteristics. He served in the US Army Airborne, went to nursing school after discharge, got his ACNP, worked as a flight nurse and then as our Chief. Eventually, he returned to the military full-time and is presently stationed in overseas. W. is also a convert to Islam.

Not too many down-home Southwest All-American boys choose to become Muslims. To this day, I still don't clearly understand what made him take this step a few years ago before we met. But the story gets stranger.

I am an Orthodox Jew. Most of my adult life has been spent working in religious education and community work. I work part-time as an RN and a paramedic. I am a veteran of the Israel Defense Forces, where I served as an infantry soldier and combat medical specialist. Quite simply, much (though not all) of my contact with Muslims has been antagonistic, even violent and deadly. And now here we were, the two of us working together in close quarters, Chief and crew member.

The truth is that, despite clear religious differences, Islam and Judaism have many shared values. Both are Middle Eastern cultures with a strong emphasis on religious discipline, on devotion to God, on personal modesty. Both cultures expect their adherents to devote regular times each day to prayer and study, and to stick to a particular dietary code. Neither culture is really very well known or understood in most of America.

I don't know if W. was really all that strict about his adherence to the requirements of Islam. I can't tell, and it isn't for me to judge. But I admired his courage in choosing such a path, and I sympathized with the difficulties of staying such a course each day in a Southwestern city and workplace where almost no one could really identify with his challenges. So, in addition to becoming coworkers and friends, we started to look out for each other in little ways.

The Muslim diet is particular and absolutely forbids ingredients such as pork. Until fairly recently, Halal food for the Muslim diet was difficult to find or verify in many locales. But Muslims in America have in the past often bought kosher food marketed for observant Jews, knowing that it won't contain anything forbidden to them as well. I can remember as a young man that Muslims would order kosher airline meals when traveling. With this in mind, I would share my meals with W. I eat only kosher food and bring all my food from home as there are no kosher restaurants for hundreds of miles in any direction. Occasionally, my wife would send along a little something special 'extra'. When we would buy kosher meat, I would offer to get some for him.

Our company often flies long missions, ranging from places in Mexico or South America up into Canada. Since I never know what the availability of kosher food will be, I pack my own along the way. If we happen to land in a city with a large Jewish community, I'll try to get to a kosher restaurant for a meal. I also would try to grab a little something to bring back as a treat for my wife. Now, I added W. to the list.

Similarly, when our flights were extended missions, we sometimes flew back through our home base to get fuel or switch out pilots. W. would always be sure to check if I needed him to go into my stuff at the base and bring me food or maybe religious articles for the rest of the trip.

When we were at the base, W. always made his office available to me to have a quiet place to pray. Observant Jews pray three regular times a day. Muslims pray five. He understood my desire for an undisturbed place for a few minutes to fulfill my obligations at the appropriate times, and always offered it. (I have to say; on this score, I've always been fortunate. Today, in the ED, my best bud is a Baptist minister's wife. She will often offer, of her own volition, to watch my patients for a few minutes to allow me time for my evening prayers. Thanks, J!)

Beyond the technical or formalistic things like prayer or food where we helped each other, we provided a certain sympathy and encouragement to each other. Our need to stay the course of our religious paths, to strive for the faithful expression of our relationship with and obligations to God - all these sometimes need support. W. and I, the Muslim and the Jew, had common grounds to help and support each other in these aspirations.

Actually that's the Islamic approach. As Muslims we are commanded by Allah in the Qur'an "There shall be no coersion in matters of religion." No qualifiers, no ifs ands or buts.

Anyone who forcibly converts someone is doing so outside the law of Islam and is committing a great sin.

The only time repentance and conversion is necessary according to Islamic law is when a non-Muslim (single or group) has been attacking a Muslim (single or group) and that conversion to Islam is required as part of the peacemaking treaty. However, if a Muslim initiates an attack then he/she must pay a restitution to the victim and be subject to punishment under Islamic law.

No disrespect, but I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that that forced conversion is prohibited according to the Qur'an. Then you go on to say that if someone attacks a Muslim, conversion is required as part of the peacemaking treaty. How can this be explained? Isn't this coercion? Would the convert be accepted as a TRUE convert?

When 2 people are fighting, both will argue that the other started it. So this can be debated.

Again, I don't mean disrespect, but I have a tendency of trying to understand other people by asking directly. This way I always get (I hope) the correct answers.

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You want to talk about religious oppression? Do you really want to open that door?

Go through the CAIR files (CAIR is the Council on American Islamic Relations) and see how many court cases have had to be fought in the USA by Muslim-Americans in the last three years merely wanting to exercise their religious freedom.

We are talking about men and women who are beaten, abused, refused jobs, fired from jobs, barred from travel, refused service in government facilities, etc for doing nothing more than observing basic religious rules such as daily prayer, beard or head covering.

I find it hard to believe that anyone (of any religion) was beaten up by the government because they were innocently praying, or sported a beard or head covering in the USA. I am not talking about senseless criminals and neo nazis and the sort - they should be arrested, tried in a proper court and punished to the extent of the law. There is usually more to these things that meets the eye. Regarding the media , I am smart enough not believe everything they see fit to print.

Lets break this circle of hatred and learn to judge each other favorably. Let the buck stop here. Let peace start here.

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However, if a Muslim initiates an attack then he/she must pay a restitution to the victim and be subject to punishment under Islamic law.

I am printing, enlarging your quote and hanging it on my office door. Thank you!!!

No disrespect, but I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that that forced conversion is prohibited according to the Qur'an. Then you go on to say that if someone attacks a Muslim, conversion is required as part of the peacemaking treaty. How can this be explained? Isn't this coercion? Would the convert be accepted as a TRUE convert?

When 2 people are fighting, both will argue that the other started it. So this can be debated.

Again, I don't mean disrespect, but I have a tendency of trying to understand other people by asking directly. This way I always get (I hope) the correct answers.

As long as dialogue is mutually respectful then there is no problem.

It's hard to break down the ruling into one-on-one terms since it has to do more with full-scale aggression like what the Muslims faced by Pagan Arabs. The ruling is that if a soldier in the pagan army laid down his arms and embraced Islam that he was not to be harmed or touched in any way.

This only applies when the non-Muslim force is the clear aggressor and then realizes the error in such an onslaught against people.

Honestly this is not much different from the way the ethics of warfare are ascribed in the Torah.

But again, we are talking about warfare ethics, not one on one confrontation; that is another matter entirely.

I find it hard to believe that anyone (of any religion) was beaten up by the government because they were innocently praying, or sported a beard or head covering in the USA. I am not talking about senseless criminals and neo nazis and the sort - they should be arrested, tried in a proper court and punished to the extent of the law. There is usually more to these things that meets the eye. Regarding the media , I am smart enough not believe everything they see fit to print.

Lets break this circle of hatred and learn to judge each other favorably. Let the buck stop here. Let peace start here.

Beaten up by the government? no. Refused service at government institutions such as police stations and courthouses? absolutely.

Look at CAIR's website and see the civil rights violations that they are having to work with on a daily basis of Muslims discriminated against in the USA by all sorts of people.

It really irritates me because people say "ooh, look how non-Muslims are treated in Saudi but we let them practice how they want in the USA" when the reality is that although non-Muslim houses of worship are prohibited by Saudi government (a violation of Islamic law) that non-Muslims are permitted to gather and worship without molestation and Saudi Aramco (the big government oil company) is almost completely staffed by Non-Muslim foreigners.

Then in the flipside is that although we have the textual freedom to worship how we want, we are constantly discriminated against in workplace, schools, shopping, etc. Women are shot in San Francisco or beaten in Chicago for wearing the hijab. Men are barred from boarding an airplane because they were seen praying in the airport beforehand... all sorts of things like this.

Why do other people care so much about the way that other people observe their religion?

100 years ago the Jews were abused in the USA for religious differences and now it is the Muslims... wonder who it will be in another 100 years.

It frustrates me because my ancestors came to the USA 350 years ago fleeing religious persecution only to have it crop up again.

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as long as dialogue is mutually respectful then there is no problem.

it's hard to break down the ruling into one-on-one terms since it has to do more with full-scale aggression like what the muslims faced by pagan arabs. the ruling is that if a soldier in the pagan army laid down his arms and embraced islam that he was not to be harmed or touched in any way.

this only applies when the non-muslim force is the clear aggressor and then realizes the error in such an onslaught against people.

honestly this is not much different from the way the ethics of warfare are ascribed in the torah.

but again, we are talking about warfare ethics, not one on one confrontation; that is another matter entirely.

the torah does not ask non-jews to convert, the opposite- it discourages it. i am not sure what part of the torah you are describing.

this is way off of the original post. i think the idea of working together in peace is the key to changing the future.