CPAP, a talk with my charge, and an unhelpful RT

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Okay, so I'm a new grad nurse resident at the cardiac ICU who is off orientation and on night shift. Last night, my charge nurse pulls me aside and tells me that the RT (respiratory therapist) feels that I am not a safe nurse because I didn't know how to turn on and off the CPAP machine.

This lady RT, mind you, is not the nicest lady around and I feel that I already had a bad rapport with her from a different night where she did not want to be bothered (texting on her phone) by me asking her questions about my patient and asking her to run my ABGs - her job! (different story). SO basically, my OSA patient absolutely required CPAP at night and I had the RT put her on the machine. I saw the patient was de-satting to 87 with it on, so I decided to fiddle with the machine to see if I could add some oxygen with the mask, and ended up turning it off. I was not familiar with the home device CPAPs, so I immediately tried to call the RT to help me turn it back on. She came back in the room and basically scolded me, "did you turn this off?" I said, yes, on accident because the patient was desatting and I wanted to see if I can add oxygen."

I asked her how to work the machine, but she just ignored me, put on oxygen with the mask, and left the room. I then get called in by my charge nurse and she asked me about the situation. I explained, and then I was told by a different (more seasoned) nurse (who I'm assuming heard the news) that I could've killed the patient because I kept the mask on when the machine was off. Mind you, the machine was off for no more than 30 seconds. She said that the patient could have suffocated and told me to not to it again.

I was so scared and shaken, because it was the first time I've encountered anything like that especially with another person saying that I was not a safe nurse because I didn't know that I turned the CPAP off. The next night, a different RT was on and he was one of the more helpful ones, and I immediately asked him about the machine. He told me that even if the machine stopped working, the patient would not suffocate because there are exhalation ports on the mask, etc.

In the whole situation, they asked me questions, but there wasn't much feedback except for the "possibly killing your patient" part, so I literally left that shift confused, and very down-hearted.

Nevertheless, my patient survived and no harm was done in the end. My questions are:

- what are your thoughts about the situation

- do I need to make an incident report

- what could I have done about the situation

the incident report that NEEDS to be written is to the RT's manager, to inform them of the DS they have working for them.

Specializes in OB/GYN, Home Health, ECF.
Okay, so I'm a new grad nurse resident at the cardiac ICU who is off orientation and on night shift. Last night, my charge nurse pulls me aside and tells me that the RT (respiratory therapist) feels that I am not a safe nurse because I didn't know how to turn on and off the CPAP machine.

This lady RT, mind you, is not the nicest lady around and I feel that I already had a bad rapport with her from a different night where she did not want to be bothered (texting on her phone) by me asking her questions about my patient and asking her to run my ABGs - her job! (different story). SO basically, my OSA patient absolutely required CPAP at night and I had the RT put her on the machine. I saw the patient was de-satting to 87 with it on, so I decided to fiddle with the machine to see if I could add some oxygen with the mask, and ended up turning it off. I was not familiar with the home device CPAPs, so I immediately tried to call the RT to help me turn it back on. She came back in the room and basically scolded me, "did you turn this off?" I said, yes, on accident because the patient was desatting and I wanted to see if I can add oxygen."

I asked her how to work the machine, but she just ignored me, put on oxygen with the mask, and left the room. I then get called in by my charge nurse and she asked me about the situation. I explained, and then I was told by a different (more seasoned) nurse (who I'm assuming heard the news) that I could've killed the patient because I kept the mask on when the machine was off. Mind you, the machine was off for no more than 30 seconds. She said that the patient could have suffocated and told me to not to it again.

I was so scared and shaken, because it was the first time I've encountered anything like that especially with another person saying that I was not a safe nurse because I didn't know that I turned the CPAP off. The next night, a different RT was on and he was one of the more helpful ones, and I immediately asked him about the machine. He told me that even if the machine stopped working, the patient would not suffocate because there are exhalation ports on the mask, etc.

In the whole situation, they asked me questions, but there wasn't much feedback except for the "possibly killing your patient" part, so I literally left that shift confused, and very down-hearted.

Nevertheless, my patient survived and no harm was done in the end. My questions are:

- what are your thoughts about the situation

- do I need to make an incident report

- what could I have done about the situation

I have to use a CPAP and there have been a couple of times that I forgot to turn it on ! You realize it pretty soon because you're not getting any air ! Not all CPAP's are the same and at times I've asked the patient to explain how they use it. I've never gotten a negative comment from the patient. The RT should not get her **** in an uproar ! Does he/she know how to do every thing that nurses are taught ? When I was in the hospital , I took my CPAP with me and set it up myself ( except in ICU ) and I never saw anyone from Respiratory. So don't feel bad about the situation. We are there for the patient and need to learn how to work as a team. And no the patient would not have gone into respiratory arrest ! Most likely the patient would let you know by seeming restless or SOB. If that was the case they shouldn't even be on a CPAP ! If it was a BiPAP that's another story !

Specializes in OB/GYN, Home Health, ECF.
From the OP: I saw the patient was de-satting to 87 with it on, so I decided to fiddle with the machine to see if I could add some oxygen with the mask, and ended up turning it off. I was not familiar with the home device CPAPs, so I immediately tried to call the RT to help me turn it back on.

She did not ask for help until after she fiddled with the machine and accidentally turned it off. It wasn't an unresponsive RT issue to begin- it was OP not asking for help until after she made the situation worse.

Would you as a new nurse approach someone who belittles you every time you ask a question? At least the OP knew that she needed help and didn't walk away from it ! Good Luck x3Divine, it will get better !
Specializes in IMC, school nursing.

First and foremost, know this: nursing is a career, meaning experience is necessary to ensure competence. It is not your fault that hospitals fail you and the patients for that competence. It takes 3 years to become competent on average, yet most orientees get 2 months tops until thrown out on their own, sometimes on units that have supportive staff, sometimes not so supportive. This is how you learn, sorry this experience wasn't a positive one, but we all were incompetent our first year making mistakes that were etched into our practice, the second year you are connecting all the dots and into your third year you are finally seeing the big picture. Anyone who tells you they were perfect from the start, you need to avoid, because they may be stuck in that first year. Good luck, hopefully this was bigger that day than it is now.

Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.

I agree with whats been said, dont fiddle with machines if you dont know how to operate them.

That said, the respiratory therapist sounds like an utter ***** and a drama queen. Would not have killed her to take a few minutes to go over operation of the machine with you to ensure that it didint happen again.

Now if you made the same mistaken a second time, then yes I would be having a chat first with you and failing that with your senior because that would demonstrate to me that you dont learn from mistakes.

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