Could I have done anything else?

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I was working in ICU the other night (technically as a float nurse, although I was given a patient assignment), and was receiving a patient from the ED. He was in his late 70s (78, I believe), and resided in a skilled nursing facility. The patient had a past history of HTN, hyperlipidemia, dementia, CHF, renal failure, MI X 3, CABG X 2, two cardiac stents, and DM. Apparently, he had been in the dining room at lunch, had become cyanotic and hypoxic, and was rushed to the ED with sats in the 70s.

The patient was placed on BiPAP, a CXR was done, and labs were obtained. The blood gas, of course, wasn't great. The patient was in respiratory acidosis with a pH of 7.1 and CO2 in the 60s. CXR revealed a left lower lobe infiltrate. Initial troponin (drawn at approximately 1330) was 0.142. The patient received a one time dose of Levaquin in the ED, but the admitting physician decided not to continue antibiotics in ICU because she felt that his WBC of 8.2 wasn't indicative of infection.

When the patient arrived to ICU (at approximately 1946), his troponin had increased to 2.44. The ED had noted evidence of a lateral infarct on his EKG, but could not determine the age of said infarct. Vitals were stable, and he was in normal sinus rhythm. After a few hours, however, his BP began to steadily trend down. It got to as low as 90/37 before stabilizing. Heart rate also began decreasing (although I feel that this occurred as the BiPAP was optimized, his gas improved, work of breathing eased, and he became less anxious).

I inquired with both the ED and the charge nurse about the acutely elevated troponin in someone with such a cardiac history. I also asked about whether it would be prudent to start antibiotic therapy on an elderly patient with a known infiltrate on CXR. I asked the charge nurse three to four times about whether or not the physician needed to be called. No one else on the unit acted like it was a big deal, but I was greatly concerned.

The patient denied chest pain, however he did have advanced dementia. I don't know that this was reliable information. I was pulled to another unit at 0400, however, I did see his 0600 labs. By 0600, WBC had increased to 18.2, potassium was elevated at 5.5, creatinine and BUN had both further increased (although he had a history of renal failure, and was dehydrated). Troponin had increased again to 2.568. The blood gas was much better, and had almost returned to normal, but that was the only thing that looked decent.

I realize that CHF and pneumonia can elevate the troponin. However, the BNP was 73, and the infiltrate noted on CXR wasn't especially large. I know that a PE can also elevate the troponin, however this patient showed no signs of a PE. I feel like the troponin was truly an indication of cardiac damage, and that treatment did not reflect this.

I just wonder if I, personally, could have done anything else, or if maybe I made too much of a big deal out of his condition. No one else in ICU seemed concerned with anything, and I felt like my concerns were very minimized by staff. Did I blow this out of the water, or was I justified? And what would you more experienced nurses have done if you were in my position?

Specializes in GI Surgery Step-down.

Mdmrn23 you are an amazing nurse I think that try to best in order to protect your patient. However I am in shock to hear that you have to ask everything charge nurse. Even when I was student nurse, I was holding b blocker if pt BP is so low and noticing Md plus write on nurse's notes about it. I just graduated and starting a university medical center in Georgia .. I Hope won't have this type of problems there. Good luck to u

Specializes in Trauma ICU, Neuro ICU, Surgical ICU, ED.
If based on your nursing judgement, which isn't defined by your employer, a medication should be held then the expectation of every single BON in the country is that you hold the medication. You can certainly be required to notify the provider of your decision, but your decision cannot be overridden by the provider or your employer. I doubt any BON would hesitate to pull your license if you did something against good nursing judgement because you were told to by a physician or manager.

I once had a near disastrous situation after holding medications and refusing physician orders. I had a patient with CHF, renal failure, hypotension, hypoxia, anemia, and other issues. She was an all around train wreck. I begged the physician to send her to ICU, which he refused. Highest pressure all night was 60/46. BNP was through the roof, troponins elevated, hemoglobin in the toilet. I reluctantly agreed to the two 250 ml fluid boluses, and gave the first unit of blood. However, I refused to give 40 mg of IV Lasix before the second unit of blood, given that BP was only 50/30 at the time. I also refused to further volume overload the patient by giving a second unit of blood, and was not willing to give a two liter fluid bolus. I called the physician three times, and made him come to the floor twice that night. I also contacted the charge nurse and nursing supervisor. The physician became irate with my constant calls, requests for new orders and labs, and pleadings to transfer the patient, and eventually yelled "f--k you" and hung up on me.

Everything was well-documented, and the director of nursing for the hospital even wrote me a congratulation email related to my documentation a few days later. My primary director, however, was unimpressed after the physician complained to the hospital. She called me into her office and threatened to give me a written warning for practicing outside of scope, refusing orders, and disrespecting a physician. I was only saved by the praise of the nurses on the floor that night, and the CNO's congratulatory email.

Good for you. You showed strong critical thinking and clear a thorough understanding of pathophysiology. It seems to me that your hospital is squelchin your nursing practice. I think if you get in a facility that supports the nurses, you'll make a wonderful ICU nurse.

A side note, if a pt's blood glucose was 70 and you have to ask the MD if you should hold the novolog or even the lantus, and the MD says to give it...that pt could easily become hypoglycemic which can have serious consequences. A hospital's policy of you bending to the whims of the MD does not protect you or your license from legal action.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

What was his mental status like (besides for the dementia)? He sounds like he went into shock. Did they check a lactate?

Specializes in Trauma ICU, Neuro ICU, Surgical ICU, ED.

Lev, I specifically asked to draw a lactate, as I was worried about lactic acidosis secondary to shock (septic or possibly cardiogenic). Once again, no one saw any clinical indication for this, and they stated that he would have labs drawn in the AM. I feel like he was definitely in lactic acidosis, or progressing towards that. At times, he was awake and somewhat alert. Other times, he was somnolent and difficult to rouse.

Specializes in Trauma ICU, Neuro ICU, Surgical ICU, ED.

JeanOfAllTraits, thank you for your kind words! ICU is my goal, and it's what I will be interviewing for (at another hospital) very soon. I agree with you about policies being bent and not protecting the licenses of the nurses at work. I have called physicians in a similar situation, and been told to give the nightly Novolog or Novolin despite a blood glucose of 80. I have refused, spoken with the charge nurse, and documented my reason (blood glucose 80, patient asleep, will not be eating tonight, spoke with charge nurse X who agreed with this despite physician instruction, insulin not administered at 2200). This still opens you up to trouble at my hospital, depending on the manger and the climate of the unit.

Specializes in GI Surgery Step-down.

I think you should leave that place ASAP if you still wanna have an RN license. This is insane, reading your post and seeing real world make me scary of it lol I would never give lasix someone that BP. Or insulin. What type of doctors are they !! Give meds and kick nurse in jail. Who gave med? Nurse !!

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

Hmmnn what was his code status? Was he DNR or limited code?

Specializes in ICU.

What an awful work environment. A four patient assignment in ICU? A four patient assignment with an admit? A four patient assignment with an admit existing, let alone given to a float? Just... wow. That is so unbelievably unsafe. Jeez, and I thought the place I worked for was toxic. Yours is despicable. You sound like a fantastic nurse doing the best you can. I can't even fathom working under those conditions. A report to the Joint Commission would totally be warranted. Your place needs to be shut down if that is how it runs.

Specializes in GI Surgery Step-down.

[quote=Lev very good point !! Love this

Specializes in Trauma ICU, Neuro ICU, Surgical ICU, ED.

Calivianya, I once had 9 patients on the telemetry/oncology unit. One received 12 units of blood over the course of the shift, one had a BP of 240/120, one was a CVA in progress, one was a metastatic colon, breast, and lung cancer with a central line, TPN, blood, lipids, mag, and potassium infusing. She had an NG and a Foley, was bed bound, turn, dry, and clean, and was going to surgery for a malignant bowel obstruction the next morning. One was terminally ill and dying, and I was trying to provide for his family. One was an ICU step-down because ICU was full, and needed the bed. He had suffered an MI one day prior to me having him. We had no CNA that night, and were working with three nurses on a 30 bed unit.

Specializes in Trauma ICU, Neuro ICU, Surgical ICU, ED.

Lev, this patient was a full code.

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