I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it. I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.
Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.
I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?
I see what you're talking sbout akulahawk, but I'm not talking about trained and experienced first responders. I'm talking about health caregivers who, like the OP, fancy that a beginners' shooting course + whatever training/certification they need to get the cc permit = the ability to shoot someone in the head during an emergency, while surrounded by panicked clients and co-workers.
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So is the inflated sense some people have of their own ability. Which has been my point all along. Which is my sole reason for opposing concealed carry in a caregiving situation.
There are at least 11.1 million CCW permits in the United States. As of November 6, 2015, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Maine, Vermont and Wyoming are considered constitutional carry states. Which means you do not need a permit to carry concealed weapons.
Do tell us all how many overzealous legal weapons carriers have killed bystanders. Not very many I'm sure or else the anti-gun media would have that going on the news for weeks...
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My "oppressive" government took away my "freedom" by creating strict gun laws back in 1996 following a shooting massacre.
There have been no massacres here since.
It's just not fair, I have the right to carry a gun and protect others! I shouldn't have to have a background check and apply for a license and follow maintenance rules!
The no background check is nothing but propaganda.
Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998, NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms. Before ringing up the sale, cashiers call in a check to the FBI or to other designated agencies to ensure that each customer does not have a criminal record or isn't otherwise ineligible to make a purchase. More than 100 million such checks have been made in the last decade, leading to more than 700,000 denials.
Once again FBI stats show the homicide rate by guns decreasing. Your US News article actually linked to a government site which shows that homicide and gun violence has DECREASED!! LOL!!
Last but not least: "A surge in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with a significant drop in violent crime in the U.S., a new report finds. The Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States†report from the Crime Prevention Research Center released Wednesday analyzed parallels between a 22 percent drop in the overall violent crime rate in the same time period in which the percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits soared by 130 percent.
The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period."
The murder and violent crime rates are lower in the 25 states with the highest permit rates compared to the rest of the U.S.
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Are you saying that all concealed carriers have the skills of that particular off-duty cop?
You must be under the impression that all cops are crack shots. Take the NYPD for instance. Here is an excerpt from Rand Firearm Evaulation for the NYPD:
"The nine weeks of recruit training devoted to hands-on skills and abilities is largely done in scenario-based, role-playing workshops or with simulators, such as the Meggitt FATS simulator. Typically, this training involves two to four students working with one or more instructors for a short period while the rest of the class watches.
The students who are working with the instructors prepare for the 92 Evaluation of the NYPD Firearm Training and Firearm-Discharge Review Process simulated event. The simulation is run, and then the instructors provide a critique of the simulation. Once complete, another set of students step up for their turn. In this way, each student in the class generally gets no more than one chance at each simulation. Unlike the basic policing-skills training, the limits on the number of students that can participate in one simulation at a time or on the number of simulators available in these workshops mean that recruits are not given adequate time to practice and do not have to demonstrate that they had mastered the techniques being taught.
While some training records we observed were marked retrained,†this meant that the instructor had told the student what he or she had done wrong and what the correct procedure was, not that the student had to demonstrate that he or she had learned the correct behavior. Given the logistics of these workshops and the size of the recruit-training class, retraining does not mean that the student was given the opportunity to try the simulation again. The car-stop workshop and the use of the simulator are indicative of the problem areas we observed.
NYPD officers are required to requalify on their firearms twice a year. Instructors observed officers who demonstrated poor firearm techniques, but, as long as they
achieved the minimum score, no remedial training was offered. Research has shown
that there are serious reasons to question the validity of police recruit and in-service handgun training activities†(Morrison and Vila, 1998, p. 510)"
As for the requalifying twice a year: You shoot 50 rounds at STATIONARY targets. 5 at 25 yards, 15 at 15 yards, 30 at 7 yards. You need to shoot a 75 to pass. That means you can miss 12 shots. So if you miss all 5 shots at 25 yards, you can miss 7 shots at 15 yards, and you still pass.
Well, to lighten up the debate a little....ever since I started carrying an imaginary gun I have become so much more assertive. It has been working great for me. I point my imaginary gun at whomever is making me feel like I did something wrong (kind of my immediate fallback position when there is a disagreement) and honest to God am able to speak up for myself!
I can't even manage to find an easy way to carry my cell phone. I have dropped it and broken the screen 3 times in the past month! How in the world do CCW people manage to carry guns in a way they would have quick access?
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I see what you're talking sbout akulahawk, but I'm not talking about trained and experienced first responders. I'm talking about health caregivers who, like the OP, fancy that a beginners' shooting course + whatever training/certification they need to get the cc permit = the ability to shoot someone in the head during an emergency, while surrounded by panicked clients and co-workers.
The first thing you get taught is to look behind the perpetrator. If you don't have a backstop or there are people behind the perpetrator you don't shoot. The next thing you are taught is that it will cost you thousands of dollars if you discharge your weapon, even in self-defense, and it is only a last resort.
Dont forget tactical gear is not body armor. It is simply outerwear worn to hold and provide easy access to tactical supplies. The shooters did not have body armor/bullet proof vests on. I think it's also worth noting that soft targets are easy targets. I agree with many it would not be wise to allow all or any employee with a CC permit to carry in a hospital, but we definitely need more security so we are not an easy/attractive target.
I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA. 
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Aim high!