CNS vs NP?

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Just wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between CNS vs NP. I'm looking more into the CNS program b/c I've heard there's more patient interaction than with a NP. I was told NP are for more diagnostic purposes. Is any of this true. I want to do something that allows me to stay with my patients. Anything helps.

Specializes in Med surg, cardiac, case management.

This has been a good discussion.

Makes me wonder if I should go and eventually get my PhD, as some of my advisors have suggested. It was my goal at one time to become an FAAN and come up with a middle-range theory of my own. We'll see if that actually happens...

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Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency, Education, Informatics.
This has been a good discussion.

Makes me wonder if I should go and eventually get my PhD, as some of my advisors have suggested. It was my goal at one time to become an FAAN and come up with a middle-range theory of my own. We'll see if that actually happens...

What's got me scared is that Im thinking about it. But in my house hell would be both wife and I working on dissertations at the same time.

The development of a Nursing theory to guide the development and implementation of nursing theory in a practical nursing workplace. how's that for a title. :)

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Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Also - do you all think that with the current economic crisis and the cutting of nursing jobs (and not hiring to fill vacancies) that the task-oriented nurse is the employed nurse?

I work in five different hospitals and the nurses in the trenches don't have time to go to the bathroom, let alone realize what theory they are using...if I had to guess, it would the theory of "surviving this shift."

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Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency, Education, Informatics.

Being the cynic I am, I don't think the economy has changed that at all. I thin that is one reason it's waste to reach much of it in undergrad RN programs.

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Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Ok Craig - I'll buy that. All I know is that there is NO theory being practiced by nurses nowadays. They are too busy putting in bizarre computerized care plans to come up with a nursing dx that means absolutely nothing and takes them away from caring for the pts.

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Specializes in Med surg, cardiac, case management.

I would have liked to learn more about theory, but there's so much to learn in such a short period of time that you really can't do it.

And I have to admit, like many I like working directly with patients and don't want to lose that...but if I were to focus more on theory development that would take me away from the bedside (though there are times when I sure wouldn't mind being away from the bedside! :wink2:) Unless I could do like some of our faculty and work as a visiting professor while still doing some work at the bedside...

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Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

I would be thrilled to serve on the dissertation committees for any one of you!

Now ... how can we get the rest of the world to agree with us?

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Specializes in progressive care.

Sorry to interject a personal question into your very interesting discussion but I'd love to ask all you experienced professionals for some advice.

I am considering a career in nursing and, like many of you have pointed out, it is very confusing to figure out what path to take.

I am interested in primary care in a clinic or private practice setting. I am also interested in public health, specifically bringing competent care and community education to the poor to improve health outcomes. I don't see myself a being happy working in a hospital long term. I'd like to be able to combine my interest in patient care with public health work...if that makes sense.

I thought FNP was probably the right route to go but have been intimidated by the whole DNP thing. I can't tell if it is really becoming the new standard. I have read that several schools are phasing out their MSN programs and only offering the DNP. But in looking a the websites of several well regarded schools (UCSF, Columbia, NYU, Boston College) I've found that none of them are offering the DNP yet and make no mention of it (except Columbia, I think. who said they will offer it in future.

I don't think I really want to go for the DNP and don't want to get an MSN as an FNP only to find that in several years I'm competing with DNPs for the same jobs and being labelled as "under-educated."

Do you think I could find the focus I am looking for as a CNS or PA? I know there are also some combined MSN/MPH programs. I live in CA by the way but could be willing to move for school after completing my BSN.

Again, sorry for the personal tangent. Any advice you have would be greatly appreciated.

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Specializes in psych, addictions, hospice, education.

I believe that if you aren't an NP by 2015, you will have to get a DNP in order to practice as a NP. What I've read says those that have the NP degree before then will be able to practice, but after that, the DNP will be the minimum requirement. That's alot of work to pack into 6 years but is possible.

I have a friend who is a community health CNS and loves it.

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I believe that if you aren't an NP by 2015, you will have to get a DNP in order to practice as a NP. What I've read says those that have the NP degree before then will be able to practice, but after that, the DNP will be the minimum requirement. That's alot of work to pack into 6 years but is possible.

I have a friend who is a community health CNS and loves it.

There is a long thread about this on the NP side. Basically for this to become a requirement one of four things has to happen:

1. Both CCNE and NLNAC would have to require DNP for NP programs. This is unlikely since they have never had anything to do with NP coursework.

2. Medicare to require the DNP in order to bill (most likely since this is how the Masters requirement came about).

3. All 50 states and the District of Columbia change their nurse practice acts.

4. Both ANCC and AANP to change their certification guidelines to require the DNP.

All in all the chances of any of these happening by 2015 is kind of remote. The push to masters for NPs took more than 10 years and didn't really change until 1998 when Medicare changed billing rules. Even then currently practicing nurse were grandfathered in.

CNS is an option if the particular state considers CNS an APN. PA would also be an option :rolleyes:.

David Carpenter, PA-C

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Specializes in Child, Adolescent and Adult psychiatric.

I graduated from Boston College in 1987, where I received my M.S. in Psych/Mental Health Nursing. The program did require that we do research, but I chose it because it was very clinically- oriented. I was able to become certified in both Adult and Child/Adolescent Psych/MH nursing through the ANCC. I'm sure I used study materials, but can't remember exactly which ones, before taking the exams.

I let my certification in Child/Adolescent expire about 10 years ago. Now there is such a need for child/adolescent psychiatrists and psych CNS's/NP's that I have decided to sit for the exam again, but I can't find any materials specific to that exam? Does anyone know of any resources, or does the one offered by the ANCC for the psych/MH CNS exam cover adults and child/adolescents?

Any feedback would be helpful.

For those of you taking the exam for the first time, good luck.

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Specializes in Child, Adolescent and Adult psychiatric.

P.S. I do have prescriptive authority in Massachusetts as a CNS. I do not want to return to school to get an PMH-NP, or DNP. Does anyone know what the plan is in terms of grand-fathering us in? Or are we psych CNS's on our way out.

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