Clinical tidbits I wish someone would've told me.

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Hey everyone,

I'm a new graduate nearing the end of my orientation at my first job on a busy Stepdown unit at my local hospital. Although we don't deal with vents, we do most every common gtt (cardizem, dopamine, insulin, nitro etc...) and I'd say we have a pretty high acuity. It's not uncommon to have a code or near code situation on our unit during the night, and often times they don't even get called because we have the resources to manage them.

I know my topic of "things I wish someone would've told me when I was a new-grad" is a common question on allnurses, but my goal is to narrow this strictly to clinical facts that you have learned over the years.

For example, "Don't give dopamine to someone who is dehydrated. First replace volume, then the drug will help B/P otherwise you'll make them tachy and worse."

I posted this in Critical care because I think I will get the best and most relevant responses from you all. So finally I ask, what do you wish you would've known when you were a new-grad?... strictly clinical.

Thanks everyone!

Thanks so much for this thread! I am writing all of this down. I just started third semester and its great to see some things I had forgotten I learned and a bunch of new stuff! Keep on truckin amazing nurses! Hope to be in your shoes soon!!!

Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU.

The plethismogram or Sp02 wave form is also a means to informally assess fluid responsiveness if you dont have an ultrasound to look at the IVC or a Lidco for SVV. The pleth will increase vertically as the pt is bolused if they are fluid responsive.

It is sort of a nurse hack not an evidence based practiced or anything like that.

The plethismogram or Sp02 wave form is also a means to informally assess fluid responsiveness if you dont have an ultrasound to look at the IVC or a Lidco for SVV. The pleth will increase vertically as the pt is bolused if they are fluid responsive.

It is sort of a nurse hack not an evidence based practiced or anything like that.

Definitely going to check that out next time in that scenario.

Not necessarily a "hack" but something I thought to do.. Put a stopcock on the IV to draw blood so not to have to undo the leur lock and reconnect.

For example if you're getting continuous CVP through distal, put the stopcock on the port so you can get Scvo2 and blood draws without having to disconnect.

I've transduced CVPs through the stopcock without change in waveform and the CVP value was consistent with and without the stopcock, haven't found EBP on this so please let me know if you do.

I also prefer using bi/trifuses instead of y-siting if compatible gtts. Those can be really handy if you have limited access.

Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU.

If you have an arterial line but no arterially based cardiac output technology to check SVV,

do the passing leg lift maneuver.

Raise the legs 45 degrees and if the art line waveform increases and the ABP increases, the person is volume responsive.

There are nurses who do this with a cvp by watching the monitor for an increase at end expiration using the resp waveform and the cvp.

I would ask a helper to lift the legs while I watched the monitor.

This is EBP and just a simple non invasive assessment to determine if the person needs volume or pressors.

Specializes in Trauma/Surgery ICU.

Before traveling to MRI, make sure your patient is small enough to fit in the machine. (If they're on the heavy side, I always call the tech up to measure them beforehand. It's saved us both a lot of trouble). For that matter, before traveling anywhere, always make sure you have enough drugs to get your through the trip. Always expect the unexpected!

Double check your drips. I always follow tubing from the bag all the way to the patient. I've caught high alert drugs erroneously running in fast as secondaries, and frequently find fentanyl drips y-sited in with Versed drips that have been turned off, which, at 2cc/hr through a central line, means the patient isn't getting any fentanyl at all.

Do bedside report. Or at least have a face-to-face with the previous/next nurse and the patient. Quickly review drips, vent settings, bedside safety equipment, etc., with the other nurse. This holds them accountable, and shows that you're accountable as well.

If your monitor alarms, don't get excited before first looking at the patient. Always assess the situation before calling the doc.

Always check for consent - blood, bedside procedure, etc. And don't witness a consent without physically hearing it.

That's my two and half cents.

Specializes in CVICU CCRN.

Phenomenal information in this thread. Glad I found it.

Specializes in ICU.
If you have an arterial line but no arterially based cardiac output technology to check SVV,

do the passing leg lift maneuver.

Raise the legs 45 degrees and if the art line waveform increases and the ABP increases, the person is volume responsive.

There are nurses who do this with a cvp by watching the monitor for an increase at end expiration using the resp waveform and the cvp.

I would ask a helper to lift the legs while I watched the monitor.

This is EBP and just a simple non invasive assessment to determine if the person needs volume or pressors.

Your advice is starting to sound way too similar to NICOM monitoring and I hate that machine with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. Stop! ;)

Totally kidding, of course. I love your advice - you are just phenomenal and I love reading your posts.

Seriously, though - just because a patient is fluid responsive, don't assume fluid is going to do them good. I had a patient a couple weeks back on NICOM who continually read as fluid responsive all night long. I was giving bolus after bolus after bolus per NICOM protocol - if delta SVI is greater than 20% with a leg raise, we give 500ml, and if it's greater than 10%, we give 250ml.

I finally thought we were giving way, way, way too much fluid (patient was something nuts like 15L positive in less than 18 hours of being admitted) and I hooked up a CVP - patient CVP after being zeroed was 33. I had just run a leg raise and I got >20% - the machine wanted me to give the patient another bolus, and the patient's lungs were already wet. I called the physician and got the NICOM monitoring d/ced.

Fluid responsiveness needs to be treated with a degree of caution and critical thinking. Patients can still be fluid responsive right up to the point of going into pulmonary edema from overload. Yep, fill the tank before starting pressors - but if you have already done a decent job of filling the tank, just start/titrate up a pressor.

Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU.

I have never worked with the nicom or a nicom protocol but thanks for the heads up.

I totally agree that if the patient is not responding to boluses we shouldn't drown them in fluid which used to be exactly what we did until the patient looked like the Michelin man. A low diastolic in spite of adequate fluid resuscitation means no vascular tone and the patient needs pressors to restore organ perfusion.

Specializes in ICU.
I have never worked with the nicom or a nicom protocol but thanks for the heads up.

I totally agree that if the patient is not responding to boluses we shouldn't drown them in fluid which used to be exactly what we did until the patient looked like the Michelin man. A low diastolic in spite of adequate fluid resuscitation means no vascular tone and the patient needs pressors to restore organ perfusion.

You are lucky that you've never had to deal with that machine... I am not at all convinced that it works. It is a super cool concept but I always feel like I get funny numbers and nearly drown my patient every time.

Cheetah NICOM

Love this thread very informative :smug:;)

I love NICOM but we never do the leg raise protocol, only the standard one. One of our very experienced RNs told me that she has done a leg raise with NICOM only once since we've had it on the unit. But we don't run the protocol over and over. I might run it twice or three times over a couple of days. I would give the 250 mL bolus that's required to run the test and then they would probably order 500 or 1000 if the delta SVI showed that the patient was fluid responsive. Then they would leave it for a while and see how the patient responded.

I actually have more of a beef with the CVP. I feel like the docs order it, ask what the initial CVP is, and then don't use it for making decisions.

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