Charge nurse trouble - need to vent!

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I've never started a thread before but I'm so angry after work today & need to vent (also want to hear some opinions). Warning - it's a long one!!

I work in a LTC facility, recently was switched to new unit because previous nurse had conflicts with the charge nurse & CNA's. The unit is divided into 2 sides, 24 residents on the north (mine) 23 on the south (another LPN, went to school together & are friends outside of work). Our residents are primarily sub acute care with some very active & ambulating Alzheimer's patients thrown in. So as you know, it's pretty busy. My problem is our charge nurse. This man pretty much does nothing all day besides care plans (excuse me, that's 1 care plan per day - a 8 hour day). He does not pick up any MD orders. He does not assist with treatments (& we have QUITE a few because he also does not follow up that the CNA's do afternoon rounds). He conveniently assumes that we will do admissions (& as LPN's we are only supposed to assess their vitals & skin integrity) and then LIES by telling our unit manager that we either said we did the whole assessment or "never let him know that the admission came in" (pulled 2x this week). If you show him, for example, a skin tear (when you can find him or get him to come down to the resident's room) he'll say that it's not really open (as if you're BLIND) & "we'll watch it". Most of the MD's do not want to deal with him :rolleyes: so we also get stuck doing rounds, calling the MD, etc. I cannot go into enough detail so everyone understands just how useless he is. My friend & I do not mind working hard but where does it end???? When I do charge (on weekends & when he's off :p during the week) I do all the treatments, MD rounds & orders, answer the misc. call bells, a gizzillion questions from families & just about everything else so the med nurses can give their meds & do their charting, follow up on the CNA's (who are a whole other story, from same country as charge nurse & they worship him, they've had 3 nurses removed from the unit & one unit manager who was there for 15 years fired - don't know where they get their power from) oh, & manage to do that day's care plan & go over the others that (SURPRISE) he never got to. If we complain that a CNA has not completed rounds, left dirty linen in the room, etc. - I don't know what he says to them (because it's NEVER in English) but holy crap, you cannot beleive the attitude you get!!

We were called into the DON's office today because he complained that I was "hyper" with him (which I was & so was my co-worker but for her own reasons). I had to send a resident out at 7:30AM - SOB, temp 103.9, resp. 28, pulse 110, B/P 88/38, c/o crushing chest pain, n & v. I called the MD before even telling charge nurse (naturally not even around the unit, down in cafeteria getting his breakfast). When he came back onto the unit I told him what was going on, went to start paperwork because secretary was not in yet. He came to me & said resident has temp of 101 & vitals are normal. I said NO, the temp is 103.9, B/P 88/38, etc. & I'VE ALREADY CALLED THE MD. MD was already en route to the facility, arrived within 5 minutes so when he checked the resident he gave an order to call the ambulance & directly admit the resident. By the way, during this I'm suppossedly doing my med pass. Charge nurse accompanies MD to desk to start paperwork, I con't/start my meds. 20 minutes later one of the EMT's comes back - they don't have all the paperwork, they're missing a copy of the medications. But naturally she tells ME this because again, there's no charge nurse around to tell. So I stop my meds, get the paperwork & make copies. So I mention this to him & he tells me "I cannot be everywhere. I'm VERY busy. And you should've copied this, not this." Excuse me, I can't be everywhere either, I'm also very busy & I should've copied NOTHING, that's your responsibility, I should be doing the 8 million other things I'm responsible for. He did not like this so he cried to the DON. We were both (me & my co-worker)called in with the unit manager who knows all our complaints, knows he does not do his job & will admit to us that she feels he is incompetant also & wants us to "write down everything we tell him to follow up on so she can make sure it's done" (like I need more writing to do - how about he just does his @#*@%* job?!). Anyhow, the DON didn't want to hear about anything other then today's events. The she basically said that his job is to assess the residents & do what he feels is warranted. His almighty RN license allows him the ability to thoroughly assess & prioritize & he's quite capable of handling all concerns we bring to him. Futhermore, we (as LPNs) do not totally understand what consistutes an emergency, he'll decide what needs to be handled & in what order. Lastly, perhaps my co-worker & I are "a little hormonal" & everyone on the unit needs to sit down & resolve this as the team players we are. Did not care when we said he was off the unit (said we should call the supervisior or page him) "from an administration point of view you must understand how this sounds, this sounds like neglect, and it's your job because you both also hold a nursing license to make sure that your resident's needs are met." Our unit manager totally faded into the background, we did at least get her to admit that we have been complaining of his lack of responsibility but that was it. I'm so upset from management's lack of support & working like a DOG that I'm ready to just throw in the towel & quit. I feel like I'm putting my license on the line because he accepts no responsibilities & denies everything. I only sit down at about 2PM to start my paperwork (yes, my med passes & treatments are that heavy) & we were recently told NO MORE OVERTIME, off the unit by 3:15PM (you could easily stay until 4:30PM everyday with all the work). Where's the teamwork? What's my liability? Well, thanks for listening & any advice to offer would be great! Thank God he is off tomorrow & I'm off this weekend...won't have to deal with him until Monday... :)

Sorry to hear about the difficult time you've been having. I agree that nursing staff should speak in english unless it's to communicate with a patient or family. Not doing so just adds to the stress and makes you distrustful. I would start looking for another job because it just sounds like you're fighting overwhelming forces--possibly at the risk of your health.

We are supposed to sit down Monday (yes, I can laugh now, it's Sunday & I'm off. Got a call earlier @ 8AM, charge nurse REALLY needs me to come in because floor is short... :rotfl: )

This hospital really takes the cake ,treats you like crap ,then calls you into help. OH BROTHER! I hope you didn't go in .Sounds like you need a day off To make your little notes.

I wonder how many nurses have worked for facilities like this,I know I have. They seem to forget how badly they have treated you and are always asking for your help with staffing. It's one major reason why they can't retain their nurses. Empower yourself by finding another job and send your previous employer a strong message.

How about finding another job and then reporting that place, anonymously, to the state, and maybe him to the BON.

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.

yuck- Write an outline tonite of the points you want to make tomorrow and stick to it during the meeting. You need to clarify why this situation is not working and what you think should be done to enable the resident to receive the care they require....Not getting meds out in time is a big NO NO in ltc and needs to be addressed.I would certainly PAGE his behind back to that unit over and OVER again.Sometimes it seems easier to do things yourself but he will continue to skate along if YOU let him...And furthermore you have a license TOO and are capable of assessing a resident and determining if you need to take fast action-(however someone has to notify the charge or supervisor and let them know what is going on-I have had cna's do that while I remained with the resident)....The DON can't have it BOTH ways-if you are not capable of that kind of "critical thinking" then the charge nurse has to DO IT....What a hypocrit your DON is I would certainly complain about the "hormonal " remark-that is really un-professional.I have worked under that type of situation-I was "charge" nurse on a 22 bed dementia unit and did meds,treaments,doc's rounds,all documentation and MDS...The "RN resident care co-ordinator" went to weekly team meeting if we had anyone on the unit being teamed and planned parties for the resident and the families....She re-decorated the resident lounge,played the piano weekly...She came onto the unit sometimes during breakfast and chatted with the residents but that's about it.....SO.I QUIT

Make a list of the points you want to make in the meeting. Get those job descriptions and study them. Page him for everything it says he is to do in his job description. If the hormonal thing comes up again, state it is a blatant sexual remark, and unnecessary. Get legal advice and keep it to yourself as to what you can and need to do. Look for another job and then report these suckers.

Specializes in LTC, sub-acute, urology, gastro.

Well, my unit manager did not come in today until 1:30PM so it was a very quick meeting (charge nurse would not come in to talk "I'm too busy now")...we told her we wanted written job descriptions which she said she'd have by Wednesday & she planned on discussing a few other things with the charge nurse from hell :devil: I can't say I have too much faith in her though because of the way she just melted into the wall the other day

It was not a pleasant day; there was a lot of tension although it was quiet. A lot of talking from the CNA's (one actually showed me a job opening in the paper - for me! :p ), it's kinda obvious that they are starting to take sides against me & my co-worker. However, we have a new supervisior in the building who has caught our beloved team leader in some MAJOR lies & has called him out on not following up on the CNA's & the foreign language being spoken on the unit - I have a feeling she's not going away anytime soon so maybe he'll get his spanking after all...

Good news, I have an interview for a charge nurse position in NJ tomorrow - nice facility, know a few people who work there & really like it so we'll see. I HATE changing jobs & kinda nervous about doing charge at a new facility ( I always wonder why they don't go in house to fill the position :uhoh21: ) but I don't think I can take much more of this, especially in my current paranoid state! :p Thanks for listening!

PS - My best friend's mom is from "the other side" (you know, a State Inspector :chuckle). I gave her a call this weekend & she was VERY interested in what I told her... :wink2:

Well, my unit manager did not come in today until 1:30PM so it was a very quick meeting (charge nurse would not come in to talk "I'm too busy now")...we told her we wanted written job descriptions which she said she'd have by Wednesday & she planned on discussing a few other things with the charge nurse from hell :devil: I can't say I have too much faith in her though because of the way she just melted into the wall the other day

It was not a pleasant day; there was a lot of tension although it was quiet. A lot of talking from the CNA's (one actually showed me a job opening in the paper - for me! :p ), it's kinda obvious that they are starting to take sides against me & my co-worker. However, we have a new supervisior in the building who has caught our beloved team leader in some MAJOR lies & has called him out on not following up on the CNA's & the foreign language being spoken on the unit - I have a feeling she's not going away anytime soon so maybe he'll get his spanking after all...

Good news, I have an interview for a charge nurse position in NJ tomorrow - nice facility, know a few people who work there & really like it so we'll see. I HATE changing jobs & kinda nervous about doing charge at a new facility ( I always wonder why they don't go in house to fill the position :uhoh21: ) but I don't think I can take much more of this, especially in my current paranoid state! :p Thanks for listening!

PS - My best friend's mom is from "the other side" (you know, a State Inspector :chuckle). I gave her a call this weekend & she was VERY interested in what I told her... :wink2:

Good For You ! You GO gal.! BE ASSERTIVE ! If that other job offers you more and you go and check out that unit If its better take it.

So happy for you

:balloons:

In our facility, which is also a LTC facility, the LPN's are the charge nurses and the RN's are just supervisors who do some paperwork and also mostly can't be found. We do the med passes, body audits, treatments, paper work, contact the doctors, do rounds with the docs, call in new orders and scripts, etc. Also alot of work. I was working anywhere from 50 up to and including 70 hours a week. Since there is not a law in Alabama that nurses can only work X amount of hours in a shift, we have to work until we are relieved.

Needless to say, I start a new job a week from this Monday so that I might actually be able to have a chance to breathe. That is way too many hours and too many responsibilities without any help. We have on my floor 38 residents, one charge nurse LPN, one RN supervisor during the day and two CNA's. That's it. Sad to hear but it is the way it goes. The best advice that I can give you is that you either turn in your resignation or if you decide to up and quit, DON'T clock in. If your clocked in then you have legally accepted responsibility and can't leave until your relieved. Good luck hon.

I've never started a thread before but I'm so angry after work today & need to vent (also want to hear some opinions). Warning - it's a long one!!

I work in a LTC facility, recently was switched to new unit because previous nurse had conflicts with the charge nurse & CNA's. The unit is divided into 2 sides, 24 residents on the north (mine) 23 on the south (another LPN, went to school together & are friends outside of work). Our residents are primarily sub acute care with some very active & ambulating Alzheimer's patients thrown in. So as you know, it's pretty busy. My problem is our charge nurse. This man pretty much does nothing all day besides care plans (excuse me, that's 1 care plan per day - a 8 hour day). He does not pick up any MD orders. He does not assist with treatments (& we have QUITE a few because he also does not follow up that the CNA's do afternoon rounds). He conveniently assumes that we will do admissions (& as LPN's we are only supposed to assess their vitals & skin integrity) and then LIES by telling our unit manager that we either said we did the whole assessment or "never let him know that the admission came in" (pulled 2x this week). If you show him, for example, a skin tear (when you can find him or get him to come down to the resident's room) he'll say that it's not really open (as if you're BLIND) & "we'll watch it". Most of the MD's do not want to deal with him :rolleyes: so we also get stuck doing rounds, calling the MD, etc. I cannot go into enough detail so everyone understands just how useless he is. My friend & I do not mind working hard but where does it end???? When I do charge (on weekends & when he's off :p during the week) I do all the treatments, MD rounds & orders, answer the misc. call bells, a gizzillion questions from families & just about everything else so the med nurses can give their meds & do their charting, follow up on the CNA's (who are a whole other story, from same country as charge nurse & they worship him, they've had 3 nurses removed from the unit & one unit manager who was there for 15 years fired - don't know where they get their power from) oh, & manage to do that day's care plan & go over the others that (SURPRISE) he never got to. If we complain that a CNA has not completed rounds, left dirty linen in the room, etc. - I don't know what he says to them (because it's NEVER in English) but holy crap, you cannot beleive the attitude you get!!

We were called into the DON's office today because he complained that I was "hyper" with him (which I was & so was my co-worker but for her own reasons). I had to send a resident out at 7:30AM - SOB, temp 103.9, resp. 28, pulse 110, B/P 88/38, c/o crushing chest pain, n & v. I called the MD before even telling charge nurse (naturally not even around the unit, down in cafeteria getting his breakfast). When he came back onto the unit I told him what was going on, went to start paperwork because secretary was not in yet. He came to me & said resident has temp of 101 & vitals are normal. I said NO, the temp is 103.9, B/P 88/38, etc. & I'VE ALREADY CALLED THE MD. MD was already en route to the facility, arrived within 5 minutes so when he checked the resident he gave an order to call the ambulance & directly admit the resident. By the way, during this I'm suppossedly doing my med pass. Charge nurse accompanies MD to desk to start paperwork, I con't/start my meds. 20 minutes later one of the EMT's comes back - they don't have all the paperwork, they're missing a copy of the medications. But naturally she tells ME this because again, there's no charge nurse around to tell. So I stop my meds, get the paperwork & make copies. So I mention this to him & he tells me "I cannot be everywhere. I'm VERY busy. And you should've copied this, not this." Excuse me, I can't be everywhere either, I'm also very busy & I should've copied NOTHING, that's your responsibility, I should be doing the 8 million other things I'm responsible for. He did not like this so he cried to the DON. We were both (me & my co-worker)called in with the unit manager who knows all our complaints, knows he does not do his job & will admit to us that she feels he is incompetant also & wants us to "write down everything we tell him to follow up on so she can make sure it's done" (like I need more writing to do - how about he just does his @#*@%* job?!). Anyhow, the DON didn't want to hear about anything other then today's events. The she basically said that his job is to assess the residents & do what he feels is warranted. His almighty RN license allows him the ability to thoroughly assess & prioritize & he's quite capable of handling all concerns we bring to him. Futhermore, we (as LPNs) do not totally understand what consistutes an emergency, he'll decide what needs to be handled & in what order. Lastly, perhaps my co-worker & I are "a little hormonal" & everyone on the unit needs to sit down & resolve this as the team players we are. Did not care when we said he was off the unit (said we should call the supervisior or page him) "from an administration point of view you must understand how this sounds, this sounds like neglect, and it's your job because you both also hold a nursing license to make sure that your resident's needs are met." Our unit manager totally faded into the background, we did at least get her to admit that we have been complaining of his lack of responsibility but that was it. I'm so upset from management's lack of support & working like a DOG that I'm ready to just throw in the towel & quit. I feel like I'm putting my license on the line because he accepts no responsibilities & denies everything. I only sit down at about 2PM to start my paperwork (yes, my med passes & treatments are that heavy) & we were recently told NO MORE OVERTIME, off the unit by 3:15PM (you could easily stay until 4:30PM everyday with all the work). Where's the teamwork? What's my liability? Well, thanks for listening & any advice to offer would be great! Thank God he is off tomorrow & I'm off this weekend...won't have to deal with him until Monday... :)

I have been an LPN for 15 Years now, doing just about every type of nursing. What u have explained is the #1 horror I last experienced on the job. Im so sorry to read this because it brought back horrible memories. I now stay home and relax, Im able to do that financially, kids are grown. Dont know if I will return to the nursing nightmare. But I do understand what you feel and sympathize with U.All I can say is try and hang in there. Maybe one day U too can take a break.Although there are days that I can say I miss nursing. Lately Ive been thinking of going on to RN, but dont know if it would be worth my while. Good Luck......

It is good to vent how long have you worked there .

Can you change shift so as to avoid this lazy charge nurse supervisor.

If not keep lo profile this guy is a manipulating self seekin sucker

invest in small tape recorder micro one and activate everytime the idiot supervisor makes staements about skin tears etc

Its your license and ultimately -------- flows downhill cover your butt

You have the right to supersede his judgement if it is impaired such as skin tears

They dont want txs done because it is considered a incident

and if your state is like my state is Mich all these things have to be reported by the administrrator or don to the STATE

snf thry do not want that of course , also skin tears are to be recorded on the miniumdata set or commonly known as the mds for medicare reimbursement /medcaid

I would kiss his butt for the meantime and look for another job .

I would do this slowly work contigent a another place on days off and then increase the days there and then decrease your time at that place from hell a little at a time

Dont tick off the administrator and don always leave with a good taste in there stupid idiot minds . In tx they have a saying smile nicely while thinkin youall eat feces.

I hate nursing politics a lot of nurses adviseed me to be a dam lawyer represeting nurses in greivences but there is not

demand for this

good luck to ya and hang in there

The bathrom is a great place to take a few deep breaths

:trout: The smilieing face is the idiot supervisior

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.

This is just a friendly reminder that this thread is nearly 3 years old, so a strong likelihood exists that the original poster has already taken action and made his/her decision regarding the situation a long time ago. In other words, any advice you give 3 years later probably will be in vain.

It is good to vent how long have you worked there .

Can you change shift so as to avoid this lazy charge nurse supervisor.

If not keep lo profile this guy is a manipulating self seekin sucker

invest in small tape recorder micro one and activate everytime the idiot supervisor makes staements about skin tears etc

Its your license and ultimately -------- flows downhill cover your butt

You have the right to supersede his judgement if it is impaired such as skin tears

They dont want txs done because it is considered a incident

and if your state is like my state is Mich all these things have to be reported by the administrrator or don to the STATE

snf thry do not want that of course , also skin tears are to be recorded on the miniumdata set or commonly known as the mds for medicare reimbursement /medcaid

I would kiss his butt for the meantime and look for another job .

I would do this slowly work contigent a another place on days off and then increase the days there and then decrease your time at that place from hell a little at a time

Dont tick off the administrator and don always leave with a good taste in there stupid idiot minds . In tx they have a saying smile nicely while thinkin youall eat feces.

I hate nursing politics a lot of nurses adviseed me to be a dam lawyer represeting nurses in greivences but there is not

demand for this

good luck to ya and hang in there

The bathrom is a great place to take a few deep breaths

:trout: The smilieing face is the idiot supervisior

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