Be careful of what you ask for....

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When you have no viable plan of your own, just demonize everything else in order to scare the public and maintain the status quo.

Your assertions about the slippery slope are just more of the same, right wing scare tactics. And the stretch you make that we'll be sorry were we to change the "fantastic" health care system we have now is just another empty opinion.

"This is a lesson my mother taught incessantly as I was raised."

My suggestion to you is that you put in the time to check out facts and stop believing everything your moma told you.

The US has significant problems in our healthcare system and hospitals, I don't know if it's fair to point the fingers at other systems when we're not doing better ourselves.

The data shows that the UK NHS produces much better overall results than the US (non-system)

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall: An International Update on the Comparative Performance of American Health Care

The Commonwealth Fund, May 2007

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If we truly wanted to build a better system we would model our system redesign on the VA medical system. (The american version of NHS.) It achieves the best outcomes at substantially lower cost.

No but the NHS still outperforms the US which tends to refute the OP's point.....

I don't think Commonwealth Fund has anything newer but I can check....

So....Canada's politician unapologetically comes to the US for his heart surgery....

Danny Williams, the Premier (governor) of Newfoundland and Labrador, is independently wealthy. He chose to have heart surgery in Florida because he could afford it, and he was probably looking to join the millions of other Canadians who spend the winter there.

Newfoundland is a poor province, and people who need heart surgery are often sent to Montreal or Toronto. If a Canadian who wasn't independently wealthy needed the same surgery, they could get it in Canada.

As a Premier, Williams has a role in running Newfoundland's branch of Medicare, Canada's national health care. Needless to say, his decision to "opt out" was controversial.

You might actually get it. This is a lesson my mother taught incessantly as I was raised.

Today you hear a great deal of unjustified criticism of the US Healthcare system and progressives push for a NHS like UK or Canada. They believe that you will get better and cheaper care. That management's unceasing effort to earn the mightly dollar will cease and care will improve.

So....Canada's politician unapologetically comes to the US for his heart surgery....

And here is what we get to look forward to if we slide down this slope:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8531441.stm

The management still has "goals" to reach.

God help us all

Unjustified criticism? Have you actually investigated how we are doing as a nation in caring the for the sick and injured and dying? Is it ok for you that millions of Americans die for lack of or poor access to health care? Is it okay for you that our current system, which has the poorest outcomes in the modern world, also costs us 16% of our GDP and will likely be 20% within 5 years? Is it okay with you that while making billions in profits and paying billions in salaries and bonuses each year, large insurance companies seek to raise premiums by 20-30%+ while further limiting what they will pay for?

Geesh...an example of the propaganda machine hard at work.

I am sure that some of you can tell that I am getting increasingly frustrated and irritable about the posts which simply say no to reform without actually acknowledging that WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM with our payment and delivery system for basic and life saving health care. My apologies.

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When you have no viable plan of your own, just demonize everything else in order to scare the public and maintain the status quo.

Your assertions about the slippery slope are just more of the same, right wing scare tactics. And the stretch you make that we'll be sorry were we to change the "fantastic" health care system we have now is just another empty opinion.

"This is a lesson my mother taught incessantly as I was raised."

My suggestion to you is that you put in the time to check out facts and stop believing everything your moma told you.

Momma was a nurse of 35 yrs and a Master's degree.

Found something interesting....

UK Experienced Nurse = 21325 british pounds. Net after taxes is not bad at 16637. (NI tax = 1717.10 from employee and matched by 'employer' with 1998.08) {WOW! Health Insurance tax of only 3715!}

http://www.21stcenturynurse.com/UKSalary.htm

http://listentotaxman.com/index.php?c=1&yr=2009&married=1&age=0&add=0&code=&pension=0&time=1&ingr=21325&vw%5B%5D=yr&vw%5B%5D=mth&vw%5B%5D=wk

So for us Uniformed US folks.....

http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html which will convert pound to dollar...

The equivalent US salary is = 32416.30 which $/52/40 gives you the extraordinary rate of...... $15.58/hr.

You now look at the NI cost annually in US$... and that is $5647.47. (employee + employer)

-------Graduate Nurse or as they call it in the UK "Newly Qualified Nurse" bottom base = 16,525.00 or in US$ $25119.70 -> = $12.08/hr.

Now you know how they keep their costs down! FL is slammed for it's pathetic pay for RNs. Some hospitals in Jax pay as low as $19/hr. Of course that is $7 per hour higher than if you worked in the UK (excluding London which has a special COL amount).

Now, I know all you folks in support of the Obamacare are just jumping at the opportunity to do right by all those uninsured folks and to help your country patriotically....by taking a matching salary reduction! {tongue in cheek}