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~Mi Vida Loca~RN has 6 years experience as a ASN, RN and specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.

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So since you all had on shorts and t shirts and got wet, it was sort of like a wet t shirt contest, I could see how that could be a great day. Ok I kid I kid. But walking around in wet clothes seems like more of a pain then anything.

The best way I get experience is having help the first time in the moment. Not in mock situations. So far in clinicals if I come upon a situation I am not sure how to do, I ask for help and watch the aide or nurse and after I have no problems and it's about as real as any situation because it's an actual patient. I am a quick learner.

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nursel56 has 25+ years experience and specializes in peds//ambulatory care/HH-private duty.

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[uOTE=Greypoupon; your hands become the equivalent to frozen bovine in a meat locker, so you may actually make the diaphragm even colder. :eek:

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

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Andrew, RN has 2 years experience and specializes in Pyschiatry/Behavioral (Inpatient).

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I graduated two years ago. No way would we bath each other.

You do not need training in how to bath someone. It's soap, water, and a washcloth. Seriously.

The most invasive contact nursing students/instructors should have with each other should be vital signs/basic assessment. We have mannequins and Sim-Man for the other stuff.

Doctors don't do pelvic exams on each other. Their medical school pays someone to come in and let them practice of them.

It's time nursing comes out of the dark ages and joins the year 2010.

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Interesting thread.

Here's a question I've been pondering, and perhaps some of you can help me make up my mind:

Although rare, I've definitely met NP and RN's who had to do Pelvic exams on their female classmates. I've NEVER met anyone who ever did testicular exams on their male classmates.

What is at play here? Sexism? (and towards whom...women or men. Or both?) Patriarchy? Women's Liberation?

Thank you for your thoughts. (I've not made up my mind - so please don't attack me for making any of these suggestions - they were solely for the purpose of stimulating thought)

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Interesting thread.

Here's a question I've been pondering, and perhaps some of you can help me make up my mind:

Although rare, I've definitely met NP and RN's who had to do Pelvic exams on their female classmates. I've NEVER met anyone who ever did testicular exams on their male classmates.

What is at play here? Sexism? (and towards whom...women or men. Or both?) Patriarchy? Women's Liberation?

Thank you for your thoughts. (I've not made up my mind - so please don't attack me for making any of these suggestions - they were solely for the purpose of stimulating thought)

PPLLEEAASSEE tell me you are a member of the online staff trying to stir up interest. And please while you are at it tell me there are really not female RNs that would tolerate that!! Why dont men let any of our fellow students do testicular exams on us? Because we have the nads to tell someone to shove it! I will never believe what you suggest is actually happening with student RNs which leads me back to my opening sentence. I just cant believe that was a real post.

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sharpeimom has 20 years experience and specializes in ortho, hospice volunteer, psych,.

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interesting thread.

here's a question i've been pondering, and perhaps some of you can help me make up my mind:

although rare, i've definitely met np and rn's who had to do pelvic exams on their female classmates. i've never met anyone who ever did testicular exams on their male classmates.

what is at play here? sexism? (and towards whom...women or men. or both?) patriarchy? women's liberation?

thank you for your thoughts. (i've not made up my mind - so please don't attack me for making any of these suggestions - they were solely for the purpose of stimulating thought)

pplleeaassee tell me you are a member of the online staff trying to stir up interest. and please while you are at it tell me there are really not female rns that would tolerate that!! why dont men let any of our fellow students do testicular exams on us? because we have the nads to tell someone to shove it! i will never believe what you suggest is actually happening with student rns which leads me back to my opening sentence. i just cant believe that was a real post.

i just figured it was a troll or a kid trying to join the grown ups...

kathy

shar pei mom

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i just figured it was a troll or a kid trying to join the grown ups...

kathy

shar pei mom

that wasn't very nice. in fact, its rude. why was it necessary to respond like that?

gyn exams do happen on classmates, albeit very infrequently. they do not happen on men. my question stands - what is going on here?

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"Someone" told you it happens? quakerkid, you seem sure it happens but where did you get your information and can you tell us the name of the school that does it? Why are you so sure it doesn't happen on men?

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"Someone" told you it happens? quakerkid, you seem sure it happens but where did you get your information and can you tell us the name of the school that does it? Why are you so sure it doesn't happen on men?

I'm not sure if you are quoting me - I never said "someone" told me.

I don't know what schools they went to, but I have indeed had colleagues who practiced GYN exams on each other. In fact, if you go back and read through the posting on this thread, there are multiple posters who attest to this fact...

"I took a beginning midwifery course in which we had to do pelvic exams on each other. We were all nervous about it but once it happened it was not that bad I am glad it happened."

I accept that maybe this was happening in the past, and no longer happens - and I have no data to suggest that testicular exams were never done on classmates - its just my gestalt.

So I could definitely be wrong. But even if you approach this from the standpoint that these exams are no longer happening, at one point they certainly were. The paucity of posts regarding male-classmate exams suggests that those types of exams are even more rare, if they occur at all.

So in that context, are there greater forces at work, such as sexism/patriarchy?

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nursel56 has 25+ years experience and specializes in peds//ambulatory care/HH-private duty.

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quakerkid;4114932]I'm not sure if you are quoting me - I never said "someone" told me.

I don't know what schools they went to, but I have indeed had colleagues who practiced GYN exams on each other. In fact, if you go back and read through the posting on this thread, there are multiple posters who attest to this fact...

"I took a beginning midwifery course in which we had to do pelvic exams on each other. We were all nervous about it but once it happened it was not that bad I am glad it happened."

I accept that maybe this was happening in the past, and no longer happens - and I have no data to suggest that testicular exams were never done on classmates - its just my gestalt.

So I could definitely be wrong. But even if you approach this from the standpoint that these exams are no longer happening, at one point they certainly were. The paucity of posts regarding male-classmate exams suggests that those types of exams are even more rare, if they occur at all.

So in that context, are there greater forces at work, such as sexism/patriarchy?

That was the only firsthand account of this happening, and it was in a midwifery course, not a nursing course. I'd love to hear from your colleagues - if this actually happened in a standard accredited nursing course. Multiple posters who are older attest to the fact that in never happened.

Perhaps the paucity of posts by male nurses is related to the paucity of male nurses old enough to offer credible experience with something like that? 40 years ago a male nursing student was uncommon. Your argument about patriarchy and sexism isn't without merit, but the scenario you are suggesting isn't accurate. As a matter of fact, public awareness about male testicular exams is fairly recent.

I agree about something that is related to what you are saying, and that is the culture of nursing heavily reflects typical "female" values. I'm not gonna set myself up to be royally flamed by saying anything more about that, but if you imagine what some of these skills lab experiences would be like if 95% of students were male instead of female, it would be vastly different. In that sense there is institutionalized sexism, yes.

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A very fair assessment. I agree with you that it may not have been a fair question in the first place, but that perhaps we can reflect upon it as a greater whole.

Thank you.

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Kevin RN08 has 2 years experience and specializes in Med-Tele, Internal Med PCU.

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I didn't read all 15 pages, so if this has been stated I'm sorry for wasting your time.

First, it's a shared experience that helps to make your class more cohesive ... it's teambuilding.

Second, you are going to need to trust these classmates for the next 2 years. You will be working together in close quarters doing tasks by the end there will be few surprises.

Third, during these 2 years you will have to do "dry baths", blood pressures, temperatures and assessments, breast exam teaching with each other, some places you start IVs and give injections to each other. This will allow you (or others who need it) to be more comfortable and competant doing these tasks in a real clinical setting.

It wouldn't be nice to give someone's grandmother a UTI because suddenly it was forgotten to go front to back, or an infection is spread to another site(s) because the water & wash clothes didn't changed. It may seem foolish, but there are reasons for doing these things. Have you ever thought about washing another adult and your hand position, what if the person is too weak and you have to hold them while you wash?

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