Bad experience - is this typical?

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Hello all-I found your site while doing a search for standard of care in the ER. I'm going to be the first to say, the only nursing experience I have is as a patient as I have just been accepted to a program. I will introduce myself more later, but currently typing this with one hand do to surgery yesterday (which is how I found this site)

Anyway, on Sunday I was getting ready to make dinner & handed my husband a sharp knife by handing it handle out. You can probably guess what happened next. I wanted to wait & see since I'm not one to head to the ER unless I think I need to go by medic. But this time, I knew the cut on my index finger was DEEP (arterial blood was squirting out). We have several major hospitals near us, we chose the closest because the bleeding was so heavy (soaked 3 bath towels in 15 mins)

So we arrive at the ER, lots of blood, taken immediately to a room, BP check and questioned by a few different people (a nurse and some others, not sure what they were, never saw them again). Nurse hands me a gauze pad and tells me to hold my hand over my head and keep the pressure on it. She goes over my medical history and then leaves. The clerk comes in to collect my $150 copay. About 20 mins have now passed with me spurting blood & everyone that comes into the room saying "wow, you're making a mess". 30 mins, doc comes in, pours saline on the cut and say "holy crap, we need a hand surgeon, I'm not touching that" and leaves, saying he will go page one. Now we've been there an hour, I've soaked my entire sheet, gown (they removed my shirt). I'm doing the best I can to keep my arm above my head and hold pressure, but I'm feeling sick, clammy and very dizzy. A radiology tech comes and when I get to the xray area, she tells me to take the pressure off and remove the gauze pad. I warn her I am bleeding a lot she says "I have to xray without the pad" so I remove it and blood immediately sprays all over the room. her clothes, etc. She gets upset, takes the xray while yelling at the other tech that "she made a huge mess, ugh I guess I will clean it up"

Then she wheels me back to the exam room. The ER is practically empty except for me, another guy who cut his hand and a teen with a sore throat, an ENORMOUS woman who wants pain meds because her knees & hips hurt and a bunch of toddlers crying and screaming (they are there with the "sick" people who bring the entire family) The nurse ONLY comes to check on me when my husband, who sees the large pile of bloody towels and then she finally says "I guess you want something for pain" to which I say "No, I want to stop bleeding!!". She sends in an aide who can only say "no, must keep pressure" and grabs my injured hand trying to twist it to put a new gauze bad, more blood squirts on HIM and he ends up scraping my leg with something in his pocket (leaving a 16cm cut on my thigh) and I yell in pain & he runs out of the room. Noone comes to check

Now we have been there for 3.5 hours and the bleeding has not stopped, even with pressure & holding it above my head (I can't do it forever I am getting weak). I feel like I'm going to pass out, I'm very thirsty and the nurse comes in with a percocet & a cup of water. My husband asks how much longer & what are we waiting on. She says "Oh, they're just working through the others (sore throat, hip/knee pain and other cut finger - they are treated first because they are there first, she says. He says "even with all of this bleeding?" and she shrugs, checks my BP again (which has dropped to 85/56 from 142/90 when I arrived) and leaves. My husband goes back out to the desk & is told they took the OTHER guy to surgery so it'll probably be 12+ hours longer wait for me. A physcian's assistant overhears and says "I'll sew her up but you need to have a surgeon come check her first" So I've gone from emergency, to ignored, to a dr afraid to sew me up because it's too deep to a PA saying she will do it.

My husband finds someone else who pages the surgeon, who leaves surgery to come check me. He asks how long I've been bleeding like that and everyone makes excuses. He VERY annoyed. He checks my cut & says "you've cut an artery, a bunch of nerves and the tendon, you have to have surgery but I'm in the middle of sewing the other guys thumb on, you should have been first!" and gives me a nerve block and instructs the PA how to put loose sutures in and tells me to be in his office at 8 the next morning (Monday), I'm immediately booked for surgery which has been done.

Is this the standard of care for an emergency? Should I have gone to urgent care instead? We went to the ER because it was 5 pm on Sunday and everyone else was closed. I thought bleeding like that IS an emergency, not a sore throat or something. I feel really traumatized. I was in HORRIBLE pain the entire 5 hours we were there, the surgeon said I lost A LOT of blood (the only way he knows is because I just had a CBC a week ago at a checkup and I guess he is able to figure it out from the blood he took from me?) He is SO upset that I wasn't given any pain med to take home, no IV, no blanket and wasn't kept warm with the blood loss, no antibiotics, nothing in the ER) The surgery took nearly 4 hours to repair because it was such a mess. I feel REALLY terrible and sudden lost my hearing in my left ear when I felt like I was fainting (and did lose conciousness for 2-3 mins until the PA came in and flicked me or something, it is all a nightmare to me.

I don't want to be a nurse if this is the standard of care (which I am pretty sure it is not, I have been in other ER's for bleeding kidney cyst and was cared for VERY well in the ER and as an inpatient, this was a different hospital, a foofy suburban hospital. I am still feeling a sense of shock over all that happend :crying2:

Well I'm not an ER nurse, but I've worked in the city ER doing IT support and the nurses there were very good and extremely competent.

That said, your story sounds *exactly* like the experience my husband had when he went to the local ER after an accident at work knocked the end of his index finger off. Well, minus the tech causing a cut on your leg, that didn't happen. Oh, and he just got Tylenol 3 hours after arriving, not Percocet. But yeah, pretty much everything else... bleeding on himself for over 4 hours, doctor coming in to clean the wound and seeing that the end of his finger was hanging off so he ran out of the room muttering that someone else was going to have to deal with that (my husband is a mechanic, so his hand was VERY dirty). So while it's not the norm, I guess it certainly does happen. Crazy!

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All nurses is a weird place. It's where nurses are blasted by other nurses for having the audacity to call a drug seeker a drug seeker. Where nurses are angrily told we don't know the whole story when a 20 something pt on disability specifically asks for Dilaudid for her HA while calmly texting on her Ipad.

Who are we to pass judgement? Who do we think we are?

But there are pages and pages of nurses demanding the job of another nurse for "neglect" that may have occurred. We have one side of one story here by a poster who is not a nurse, yet every response so far wants to hang the ER staff by their toenails. :uhoh3:

Wouldn't it be great if one of the nurses in that ER would kindly explain their side of the story. Before we throw them to the wolves.

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Hello all-I found your site while doing a search for standard of care in the ER. I'm going to be the first to say, the only nursing experience I have is as a patient as I have just been accepted to a program. I will introduce myself more later, but currently typing this with one hand do to surgery yesterday (which is how I found this site)

Anyway, on Sunday I was getting ready to make dinner & handed my husband a sharp knife by handing it handle out. You can probably guess what happened next. I wanted to wait & see since I'm not one to head to the ER unless I think I need to go by medic. But this time, I knew the cut on my index finger was DEEP (arterial blood was squirting out). We have several major hospitals near us, we chose the closest because the bleeding was so heavy (soaked 3 bath towels in 15 mins)

So we arrive at the ER, lots of blood, taken immediately to a room, BP check and questioned by a few different people (a nurse and some others, not sure what they were, never saw them again). Nurse hands me a gauze pad and tells me to hold my hand over my head and keep the pressure on it. She goes over my medical history and then leaves. The clerk comes in to collect my $150 copay. About 20 mins have now passed with me spurting blood & everyone that comes into the room saying "wow, you're making a mess". 30 mins, doc comes in, pours saline on the cut and say "holy crap, we need a hand surgeon, I'm not touching that" and leaves, saying he will go page one. Now we've been there an hour, I've soaked my entire sheet, gown (they removed my shirt). I'm doing the best I can to keep my arm above my head and hold pressure, but I'm feeling sick, clammy and very dizzy. A radiology tech comes and when I get to the xray area, she tells me to take the pressure off and remove the gauze pad. I warn her I am bleeding a lot she says "I have to xray without the pad" so I remove it and blood immediately sprays all over the room. her clothes, etc. She gets upset, takes the xray while yelling at the other tech that "she made a huge mess, ugh I guess I will clean it up"

Then she wheels me back to the exam room. The ER is practically empty except for me, another guy who cut his hand and a teen with a sore throat, an ENORMOUS woman who wants pain meds because her knees & hips hurt and a bunch of toddlers crying and screaming (they are there with the "sick" people who bring the entire family) The nurse ONLY comes to check on me when my husband, who sees the large pile of bloody towels and then she finally says "I guess you want something for pain" to which I say "No, I want to stop bleeding!!". She sends in an aide who can only say "no, must keep pressure" and grabs my injured hand trying to twist it to put a new gauze bad, more blood squirts on HIM and he ends up scraping my leg with something in his pocket (leaving a 16cm cut on my thigh) and I yell in pain & he runs out of the room. Noone comes to check

Now we have been there for 3.5 hours and the bleeding has not stopped, even with pressure & holding it above my head (I can't do it forever I am getting weak). I feel like I'm going to pass out, I'm very thirsty and the nurse comes in with a percocet & a cup of water. My husband asks how much longer & what are we waiting on. She says "Oh, they're just working through the others (sore throat, hip/knee pain and other cut finger - they are treated first because they are there first, she says. He says "even with all of this bleeding?" and she shrugs, checks my BP again (which has dropped to 85/56 from 142/90 when I arrived) and leaves. My husband goes back out to the desk & is told they took the OTHER guy to surgery so it'll probably be 12+ hours longer wait for me. A physcian's assistant overhears and says "I'll sew her up but you need to have a surgeon come check her first" So I've gone from emergency, to ignored, to a dr afraid to sew me up because it's too deep to a PA saying she will do it.

My husband finds someone else who pages the surgeon, who leaves surgery to come check me. He asks how long I've been bleeding like that and everyone makes excuses. He VERY annoyed. He checks my cut & says "you've cut an artery, a bunch of nerves and the tendon, you have to have surgery but I'm in the middle of sewing the other guys thumb on, you should have been first!" and gives me a nerve block and instructs the PA how to put loose sutures in and tells me to be in his office at 8 the next morning (Monday), I'm immediately booked for surgery which has been done.

Is this the standard of care for an emergency? Should I have gone to urgent care instead? We went to the ER because it was 5 pm on Sunday and everyone else was closed. I thought bleeding like that IS an emergency, not a sore throat or something. I feel really traumatized. I was in HORRIBLE pain the entire 5 hours we were there, the surgeon said I lost A LOT of blood (the only way he knows is because I just had a CBC a week ago at a checkup and I guess he is able to figure it out from the blood he took from me?) He is SO upset that I wasn't given any pain med to take home, no IV, no blanket and wasn't kept warm with the blood loss, no antibiotics, nothing in the ER) The surgery took nearly 4 hours to repair because it was such a mess. I feel REALLY terrible and sudden lost my hearing in my left ear when I felt like I was fainting (and did lose conciousness for 2-3 mins until the PA came in and flicked me or something, it is all a nightmare to me.

I don't want to be a nurse if this is the standard of care (which I am pretty sure it is not, I have been in other ER's for bleeding kidney cyst and was cared for VERY well in the ER and as an inpatient, this was a different hospital, a foofy suburban hospital. I am still feeling a sense of shock over all that happend :crying2:

This sounds like an episode of SCRUBS :eek:. Not downplaying what you are saying but I sure hope this is an exagerration of the truth. I've never heard of so many neglectful healthcare workers in one setting, it makes it seem like you went to a hospital where no one had any serious training. I also want to know how you knew what every patient in the ER was there for? That strikes me as odd. You also mentioned you passed out, did your husband run to get help? The thumb guy had a 12hr surgery? Maybe his thumb was more than a cut and completely broken off, 12hrs for thumb surgery? While your surgery took 4? Also they had the results from a CBC you took a week ago at a check up, so this was a CBC done by the same company/facility. I'm just in total shock of this story. If this did happen to you, I'm really sorry to hear this. I'm also curious as to how long it took you to type this story with one hand, thats pretty good typing. I've heard some ER stories but this takes the cake.:twocents:

Yes, but were the nurses smiling?

But seriously, no, that does not sound like a typical experience.

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Then she stood outside the door while I was getting dressed (the nurse station was right there) and was talking to what I guess was the staff coming on duty. She ran down the entire list of who was seen & for what the entire time I was there. Me, another cut finger, teen with a sore throat and a woman wanting pain meds for her hurt back & knee pain and the trauma that had just come in.

I'm sorry that you sustained you injuries and it is unfotunate that you had the experience you did in that ED.

With that said though, there are some parts of your recalling of the events that seem to be a bit of hyperbole and this one quoted above, more so that any of the others, just does not seem realistic to me (another one: the SBP in the 80s and the nurse just laughed and walked away). Maybe its because I work in an ED that values patients, values paitents' privacy and realizes that its no one elses dang business as to why another patient is being seen in the ED.

Anyway, I hope you eventually are are peace with everything that happened.

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I'm sorry that you sustained you injuries and it is unfotunate that you had the experience you did in that ED.

With that said though, there are some parts of your recalling of the events that seem to be a bit of hyperbole and this one quoted above, more so that any of the others, just does not seem realistic to me (another one: the SBP in the 80s and the nurse just laughed and walked away). Maybe its because I work in an ED that values patients, values paitents' privacy and realizes that its no one elses dang business as to why another patient is being seen in the ED.

Anyway, I hope you eventually are are peace with everything that happened.

For the person who wanted to know how i typed this: it's called voice to text, lots of computers have it.

For the person who says it sounds like a story I made up from Scrubs. I've never watched that show. What purpose would there be for me to make up a story & post it here? I asked here because most of you are ER nurses & I want to know if this is the typical standard of care for people and what would make a nurse treat a bleeding patient like this because I do NOT want to choose ER nursing if that's how it is. I felt like I was in a nightmare, I remember saying over and over to my husband "I just can't believe this, I can't believe all of this blood and that it's normal & OK to bleed this much for this long & that they're treating a sore throat ahead of me"

For the person who said it isn't my business why other patients are being seen. Um, yeah - I know that. But the thing is, when the exam rooms are separated by a CURTAIN, you hear EVERYTHING that is said. The nurses, PCA's etc also talk very loudly across the room about what they are doing. That is how I knew who else was there and why. I was trying to be polite, wait my turn & be respectful for as long as possible but everyone has their limits. Try holding your hand over your head for 5 hours while keeping direct pressure on it and still have blood running down your arm and pooling in your lap as you feel colder, sleepier, more confused & like you are going to throw up and knowing that your nurse is sitting right outside your curtain area talking about her Facebook with a co-worker and acting annoyed when your husband questions the amt of blood and length of time we've been there and shouldn't maybe I have an IV to put the fluids back in. They made us feel like I was being very overdramatic about the blood loss despite the puddles, racing heart & low BP & low temp.

For the person who said that I said the nurse laughed at my low BP -what I actually said was the PCA (not a nurse) SHRUGGED (not laughed) and when the nurse called across to him "did you get 14's vitals" he yelled back "Normal, I will write paper". So normal BP is in the 80s? The last time that happened to me, my kidney specialist hospitalized me for a week. And a normal temp is 96.6 (when I arrived it was 99.9). I had no idea BP and temp could fluctuate so much & be considered normal. :confused: Later, when the PA (physician assistant) came in to sew me up, SHE asked me "I heard you asking that Christopher not be allowed to come in your room, did something upset you?" and I showed her the 16cm cut in my thigh. Her eyes got really big & she said "I' will be right back" and returned with the doctor, another PCA and a camera. She asked if it was OK to take a photo of the cut on my leg. I don't know what that was all about, I just wanted to be done,

Today, i had to go have the surgical area checked again today for infection (the surgeon office is across from ThisHospital. After my check, we went across the street where I requested my medical records, including all that happened that night in that ER. While we were waiting for them to print, two people approached me and asked my name and wanted to know if I was a patient in ThisHospital ER on Sunday May 15th. I told them that I was, showed them my bandaged hand & they asked if I had a few minutes to talk with them about what had happened. (I had not complained or anything at this point, I had just called this morning to find out where to go to pick up my records for my visit on 15 May). They asked me into a conference room and introduced themselves as Chief Nursing Officer & Medical Director of Patient services. They told me that an employee on duty while I was there filed a complaint regarding the care I received on my behalf. They were planning on calling me but had also put a tag in my records to be paged if I came back in, They wanted to know if I was planning on contacting the media or a lawyer and if I was willing to talk with them about what had happened that night. They seemed very concerned, very apologetic and very interested in my side of the story.

When I explained what had happened, they told me my story exactly matched that of the nurse who had filed the complaint as well as another patient in the ER that night that they had also interviewed (he was the one with the thumb tip that was cut-off and it did NOT take 12 hours as my nurse told me, it took them a little over an hour, the reporting nurse said that my nurse exaggerated the time hoping the physcian's assistant would just sew me up instead) They told me that the ER had been unusually slow that evening and that, in fact, there were only 6 total patients there the entire time I was there. I arrived at 5:05pm and was discharged at 10:33pm. They said that there had been a major issue with triage & that the nurse in charge did not indicate anywhere that I was bleeding profusely, she had just written "small laceration right index finger, patient stable" The truth was, the laceration to my finger cut through two arteries, a nerve bundle, nicked a tendon sheath and I lost a significant amount of blood (arrived at 5 with Class I, Discharged Class III - I am reading this from the paper & don't know what it means). The laceration is 10.2 cm which isn't small.

In the end, you may see hyperbole, while what I'm feeling is confusion, pain and stress. Now I have NO idea what is considered an emergency if cutting through a couple arteries, nerves & a tendon, bleeding more than 30% of my blood volume to the point where I was going into shock isn't considered urgent, I guess I don't know what is then.

For those of you who wished me well and didn't automatically think I am making things up and told me that I am right to feel upset, thank you. You are the type of nurse I always hope to have caring for me when I need one and the type of nurse I hope to be one day. I feel 100% confident that what I said happened actually did happen now that I've had the hospital admin. approach me AND the fact that a co-worker of those people saw it was not right and reported her own co-workers, maybe no-one else will ever have to feel terrified, confused & in pain when they seek care for an emergency.

Why didn't you leave and go to another ER??

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This sounds like an episode of SCRUBS :eek:. Not downplaying what you are saying but I sure hope this is an exagerration of the truth. I've never heard of so many neglectful healthcare workers in one setting, it makes it seem like you went to a hospital where no one had any serious training.

I also want to know how you knew what every patient in the ER was there for? That strikes me as odd. I know because I could HEAR them talking and so could my husband. Every sing word. "15 is here for strep throat, 19 needs something for pain for her knees arthritis and back, 14 laceration to finger" etc.

You also mentioned you passed out, did your husband run to get help? Yes - he did & that is when they sent the PCA in to check my vitals who told the nurse they were normal (BP 80s/50s, temp 96 something)

The thumb guy had a 12hr surgery? Maybe his thumb was more than a cut and completely broken off, 12hrs for thumb surgery? That is what the nurse told us. Later, the PA that did my temporary sutures told me that the surgery only took an hour but that it would be 12 hours before I could get moved to surgery because they would have to call in another hand surgeon. She said the nurse thought I wouldn't allow a PA to sew me up if the doctor had refused.

While your surgery took 4? My surgery took 4. On Tuesday. At a different hospital, a better one that actually values patients and has the best nurses ever,

Also they had the results from a CBC you took a week ago at a check up, so this was a CBC done by the same company/facility. No, I had them with me. I keep all of my medical records in a green folder and my doctor sends me a print out of my labs about a week later. The folder was in the car and my husband went out to get it to show it to them,

I'm just in total shock of this story. If this did happen to you, I'm really sorry to hear this. I'm also curious as to how long it took you to type this story with one hand, thats pretty good typing. I have text to speech - I say the words, the computer types it and on the parts where it messes up, I poked it out with one hand.

I've heard some ER stories but this takes the cake.:twocents:

Well, I've never heard of such poor care and never want to experience it again. Luckily, my husband had the sense to take photos of my hand, the BP monitor, etc once he realized they weren't doing the right thing. The administrators were very interested in seeing them too, just more backing up my story. They seemed most shocked by the long cut on my leg.
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In the end, you may see hyperbole, while what I'm feeling is confusion, pain and stress. Now I have NO idea what is considered an emergency if cutting through a couple arteries, nerves & a tendon, bleeding more than 30% of my blood volume to the point where I was going into shock isn't considered urgent, I guess I don't know what is then.

OK I officially do not believe this poster. Yep throw the stones and call me a miserable human being.

You don't slice through "a couple of arteries" and get the blood stopped with a few stitches. You don't lose A THIRD 30% of your blood volume and walk out without a transfusion. I don't care what kind of hospital ER you were in. Even if nobody cared there is a thing that strikes terror in all health care professionals: MALPRACTICE. Being sued.

The OP was seen by an MD, sewed up by a PA, and at least one maybe more RNs took care of her.

And they all sent her home with a bandage. Not a chance.

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Really?

Anyone else find it hard to believe that the surgeon walked out of an ongoing operation to go and check on an ER patient? Just sayin...

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For the person who said it isn't my business why other patients are being seen. Um, yeah - I know that. But the thing is, when the exam rooms are separated by a CURTAIN, you hear EVERYTHING that is said. The nurses, PCA's etc also talk very loudly across the room about what they are doing. That is how I knew who else was there and why.

I will grant you, that it is true. Sometimes in the ED, tx areas are only separated by curtains and privacy can be an issued. However, you stated: "Then she stood outside the door while I was getting dressed (the nurse station was right there) and was talking to what I guess was the staff coming on duty. She ran down the entire list of who was seen & for what the entire time I was there." Hmm, a bit different.

As for the "Scrubs" issue. The person who posted it (I believe, sorry if I put words in his/her mouth) was only trying to say it sounded overly dramatic, like something you see on a TV show...not that that you pulled the story directly out of an episode....

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