Are you willing to pay more taxes to ensure health coverage for all?

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cbs/new york times poll, february 2 007

if you had to choose, which do you think is more important for the

country to do right now, maintain the tax cuts enacted in recent

years or make sure all americans have access to health care?

cutting taxes 18%

access to health insurance 76%

would you be willing or not willing to pay higher taxes so that all

americans have health insurance they can't lose, no matter what?

willing 60%

not willing 34%

(if "willing") would you be willing or not willing to pay $500 a

year more in taxes so that all americans have health insurance

they can't lose, no matter what?

willing 82%

not willing 6%

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Yes, DarrenWright - The sky is GREEN the sky is GREEN.... have you ever really looked at the sky???

Sheesh. I don't know why you have to keep making things up in order to justify your claims. Maybe you need to look at things a little more objectively. :idea:

Condescension is insulting and unnecessary.

http://www.morningstar.ca/globalhome/MarginalTaxCalculator/index.asp

I have never made up anything, and I don't even "bet" or speculate.

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Condescension is insulting and unnecessary.

http://www.morningstar.ca/globalhome/MarginalTaxCalculator/index.asp

I have never made up anything, and I don't even "bet" or speculate.

You just don't get it. For some reason you have a real problem with accepting that Canada is not enslaving its people.

Several people have gotten on here, who actually live and work in Canada, and tell you that your 47% is blatantly wrong. You absolutely refuse to listen.

You must not understand how to work these tax calculators.

For BC, an income of $48000 translates to $9566 per year, which is 19.93%. In addition, there is an extra 4% for CPP (pension - maximum annual contribution $1903 for 2006) and 2% for EI (unemployment- for a maximum annual contribution of $712 for 2006).

I KNOW this since I just finished reporting payroll for our 5 employees.

This translates to a maximum tax rate including all pension, employment and fed and prov (state) of roughly 22%.

You can make up all the things you want, but I live here, pay employees and recieve a paycheck myself.

NO CANADIAN PAYS 47% TAX RATE.

Get it???? :trout:

But this DID get me looking into my home state and what I paid back when I lived there, and what people are currently paying. So I did a little online calculating (hey, it is a rainy Sunday so why not...;))

In the US your federal taxes would be $6236.

Canada they are $6757.

For a wage of $48,000 state taxes would be...

British Columbia, Canada provincial taxes are $2810

California - $2335

Total for living in British Columbia, Canada - $9567

Total for living in California, US - $8571

(This is without any deductions in either country, or write-offs. It is simply a base tax rate for a single person with no dependents. In the US, you can write off personal mortgage interest. In Canada you cannot, which definitely makes a difference if you are a home owner. I am not an accountant, so I imagine all the write-offs, deductinos, dependents, etc., etc. will make the numbers very different on both sides.)

I realize that some states do not have state tax withholdings. But in glancing through the state tax rate, they average around $2000 a year for the described income.

So that would make the tax rates fairly comparable!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I was actually shocked. I had been hearing so much about how Canadians are paying more, that I even started to actually believe it.

After doing research, I am suprised that the rates are so comparable...

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Condescension is insulting and unnecessary.

http://www.morningstar.ca/globalhome/MarginalTaxCalculator/index.asp

I have never made up anything, and I don't even "bet" or speculate.

OK I am curious. I tried Ontario and I'm either doing something wrong or the tax on $100,000,000,000,000.00 is 46.41%.

It's still a lot of money at a total of $46,409,599,982,460.00

Where is it 47%. WHO pays it?

Is it theoretical because no Canadian actually makes so many trillions in one year?

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From my visits to Canada after factoring in the exchange rate The cost of living is just about the same between the US and Canada.

Single payer delivers better care at a lower price to workers and their families.

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What is the relevance of any of these questions?

http://www.morningstar.ca/globalhome/MarginalTaxCalculator/index.asp

Use this calculator (an unbiased third party calculator). What you will find is that several provinces have marginal tax rates on certain incomes within 1% of 47%, and some exceed 47%.

What income are you using to get 47%? I put in 60K for Ontario and got 22% for provincial and federal combined, got 22% for BC, 23% for Alberta.... On 80K a year it was about 25%. Even 100K only got me 28-30% taxes payable.

Oh... I seeeeee... You aren't using the average tax rate, you're separating it out to find the biggest number you can... Looking at the actual taxes payable would seem to be a more honest way of doing it, since that let's you know what you actually take home at the end of the day.

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OK I am curious. I tried Ontario and I'm either doing something wrong or the tax on $100,000,000,000,000.00 is 46.41%.

It's still a lot of money at a total of $46,409,599,982,460.00

Where is it 47%. WHO pays it?

Is it theoretical because no Canadian actually makes so many trillions in one year?

He's playing with the numbers. The actual taxes payable are much lower, just like you found out. The marginal tax rate is much higher than the actual amount of taxes we pay and that's where he's getting his 47% figure from. He doesn't seem to care about how much we actually pay.

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Here is an excellent website that gives tax rates on every country in the world.

Surprise, surprise...the US is NOT the lowest in the world. in fact, on the upper end....it is EVEN HIGHER than CANADA!!!:idea::idea::idea:

http://www.worldwide-tax.com/

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What income are you using to get 47%? I put in 60K for Ontario and got 22% for provincial and federal combined, got 22% for BC, 23% for Alberta.... On 80K a year it was about 25%. Even 100K only got me 28-30% taxes payable.

Oh... I seeeeee... You aren't using the average tax rate, you're separating it out to find the biggest number you can... Looking at the actual taxes payable would seem to be a more honest way of doing it, since that let's you know what you actually take home at the end of the day.

Well said.

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oops. need to provide a link...

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Even better from our friend Wikipedia. In the middle of the page a beautiful, handy, dandy chart....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

So there. :lol2:

At any rate, it has gotta hurt living single in Germany, Italy, France or Belgium!!!

:trout:

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Don't you LOVE Wikipedia???????

They only pay 2% more taxes than we do! HA!

I miss their microbrews...Rasberry Ale was my favorite :(

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I would absolutely not be willing to pay any more taxes for healthcare or anything else. I'm taxed to death. No, no, and NO.

I can't even afford the deductible on my own insurance, much less be willing to pay for other people's insurance. I also know that approximately .00001% of my new taxes will ACTUALLY go toward people without insurance. The government is only good at making a mess of things and spending an enormous amount of money to do it.

I don't really know much about Canada or any other country because I do not live there. Maybe they have a more scrupulous, efficient government than ours. Ours just loves to waste, waste, waste, waste.

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