Are NP online degree frowned upon?

Trauma Columnist · Aug 10, 2013

Here is a link to the ANCC Consensus Model. It really explains a lot. There is no LAW at all for the DNP, just a suggestion.

APRN Consensus Model

hik9258 · Aug 14, 2013

I don't think they would even know you were online, unless your résumé shows you working in Maine, while enrolled in school in Washington. What i will say, and it has been argued here ad nauseum, is that online for profit diploma mills (i.e. walden, maryville, etc) will hinder your chances in applying against a traditional university.

Trauma Columnist · Aug 14, 2013

@hik9258 - may I ask what evidence or research you have to back up your opinion about "online diploma mills"?

Thanks

hik9258 · Aug 15, 2013

@hik9258 - may I ask what evidence or research you have to back up your opinion about "online diploma mills"?
Thanks

98% acceptance = diploma mill

Trauma Columnist · Aug 15, 2013

What does acceptance rate have to do with obtaining a job after graduation?

hik9258 · Aug 15, 2013

What does acceptance rate have to do with obtaining a job after graduation?

Obviously an employer would select the best trained candidate for a position. A 98% acceptance rate means if you can pay, you can play, no matter your critical thinking abilities may be. We all know, very few go to Walden as a first choice. That is a safety school where people say, "if I don't get in to XYZ, I'll apply to (insert diploma mill), the board is littered with threads proving this. Have you seen Walden or Maryville ranked for the best education? I'll answer that. No. So who is going to get hired first? Walden or a University of XYZ? Lets not play stupid, we all know the answer.

Trauma Columnist · Aug 15, 2013

Lol....are you an APRN?

hik9258 · Aug 16, 2013

Lol....are you an APRN?

In school, but it doesn't take a genius.

Trauma Columnist · Aug 16, 2013

When you go looking for a job, after passing the certification exam, your RN experience will count for more then where you went to school. In the 7 yrs since I got my first post MSN cert, no one even cared where I went to school, just that I passed the certification exam.

16semesters · Aug 16, 2013

I'm a practicing NP, and on the hiring committee for NP's at my hospital. I promise you that for profit schools carry a gigantic negative connotation in hiring decisions. If you already have a job lined up and just need the slip of paper I guess then they are not bad ideas, but otherwise you should steer clear.

For profit schools have very, very, well documented problems with educational quality. I don't think anyone with a sound mind can argue that. There have been literal senate (U.S.) hearings about the poor quality of for profit enterprises.

Why would you think Walden would magically be the "good" one in a sea of very bad institutions? For profit institutions have lower scores on professional exams, including nursing (Field 2011) and higher rates of loan defaults (Deming, 2011)

What makes Walden different from all these?

David J. Deming, Claudia Goldin, and Lawrence F. Katz, "The For-Profit Postsecondary School Sector: Nimble Critters or Agile Predators?" National Bureau of Economic Research 2011.

Kelly Field, Demographics Do Not Explain For-Profit Colleges' Shortcomings on Student-Success Measures, GAO Says, Chronicle of Higher Education, Dec. 7, 2011,Demographics Do Not Explain For-Profits' Shortcomings on Student-Success Measures, GAO Says - Government - The Chronicle of Higher Education

hik9258 · Aug 16, 2013

I'm a practicing NP, and on the hiring committee for NP's at my hospital. I promise you that for profit schools carry a gigantic negative connotation in hiring decisions. If you already have a job lined up and just need the slip of paper I guess then they are not bad ideas, but otherwise you should steer clear.
For profit schools have very, very, well documented problems with educational quality. I don't think anyone with a sound mind can argue that. There have been literal senate (U.S.) hearings about the poor quality of for profit enterprises.
Why would you think Walden would magically be the "good" one in a sea of very bad institutions? For profit institutions have lower scores on professional exams, including nursing (Field 2011) and higher rates of loan defaults (Deming, 2011)
What makes Walden different from all these?
David J. Deming, Claudia Goldin, and Lawrence F. Katz, "The For-Profit Postsecondary School Sector: Nimble Critters or Agile Predators?" National Bureau of Economic Research 2011.
Kelly Field, Demographics Do Not Explain For-Profit Colleges' Shortcomings on Student-Success Measures, GAO Says, Chronicle of Higher Education, Dec. 7, 2011,Demographics Do Not Explain For-Profits' Shortcomings on Student-Success Measures, GAO Says - Government - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Great post, people (not necessarily trauma) tend to take personal offense when this issue is discussed. You choose the level and quality of education you want, you don't always get what you are paying for. Just as in anything else, some things (schools) are better than others. For profit schools don't see you as a future provider carrying their namesake, they look at you with the mindset, "how can we help them pass a test, and capitalize financially?" For profits view students as a dollar sign.

I also found it hard to believe that employers do not review prior education. Facilities are going to want the best trained candidates, to properly treat patients, maintain patient satisfaction and increase revenue. If an ill prepared practitioner comes in and cant accurately diagnose and treat, patient satisfaction drops, revenue drops, and you then become a liability.

Bottom line, as was stated, unless you have a position lined up and just need the piece of paper, a traditional university will be employed over a for profit diploma mill.