Any Nurses That Didn't Get COVID Vacc/Booster for Complio?

Christine Robinsom · Feb 28

I realize that more than you know. However, I was able to self isolate to avoid the virus. That was my prerogative, my decision. I have been totally paralyzed twice. I do not take any vaccines unless absolutely necessary. As I was 5 the first time, the chances of getting again are higher, as I did get it again.

robinasq · Feb 29

DO YOUR CLINICALS IN FLORIDA, seriously

JKL33 · Feb 29

Christine Robinsom said:

I am more apt to get GBS again and it is a side effect of the Covid shot.

Agree with the poster above me. GBS has well-known association with viral illness. Your decision-making process is your own but the evidence-based position is that it is significantly associated with antecedent viral illness. According to UpToDate, association with adenovirus vector vaccines (J&J, AstraZeneca) = 123 cases per 13.2 million doses of vaccine. Cases following mRNA Covid vaccination do not appear to occur at a rate higher than the baseline population rate of occurrence.

I do think that GBS is something that those of us who have not experienced it can't quite imagine how horrible and traumatizing it is and I am sorry you've had the misfortune to deal with it not once but twice. However, what "haters" hate is statements like, "it [GBS] is a side effect of the Covid shot." Can you understand why? To simplify/summarize what we know about it, it is (relatively) negligibly associated with vaccines and massively associated with other antecedent events, especially viral infections.

nightwingcreations, CNA, LPN · Feb 29

https://revcycleintelligence.com/news/cms-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-for-healthcare-workers#:~:text=The final rule from CMS,certain COVID-19 vaccine requirements.&text=June 05%2C 2023 - CMS has,in the Federal Register today. There is not a federal mandate for vaccination anymore. Even for healthcare workers. That would be institution or facility policy.

brandy1017, ASN, RN · Feb 29

nightwingcreations said:

https://revcycleintelligence.com/news/cms-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-for-healthcare-workers#:~:text=The final rule from CMS,certain COVID-19 vaccine requirements.&text=June 05%2C 2023 - CMS has,in the Federal Register today. There is not a federal mandate for vaccination anymore. Even for healthcare workers. That would be institution or facility policy.

That's interesting. I didn't know they had ended the mandate last year. But since they are requiring metrics r/t quality and reimbursement there will still be a lot of pressure from most places to continue the vaccine mandate.

For most of my career, the flu vaccine was optional, but encouraged. Then around 2015 I think, it was decided it was OK to force the flu vaccine with mandates, whatever it took to get the compliance over 90 percent. I don't remember which government agency made that decision, but after that it became mandatory where I worked.

My coworker who refused the covid vaccine, also refused the flu vax and fought for a medical exemption. She had to go thru a committee who would decide if they would except it or if she would lose her job. In the end, she got her exemption, but then had to wear a mask during flu season, but not a TB mask. However, she was let go when she refused the covid vaccine and I heard found a job at a competitor and got an exemption.

I have cared for three patients who got GB after a flu vaccine in my career. For something that is supposed to be so rare, I wonder why I saw and cared for several post flu vaccine GB patients. My first was a fit 70 year old motorcyclist who ended up completely paralyzed but could breathe. Later I heard he did slowly recover over a year's time, but was never OK emotionally from the devastation. The other patients I saw had a history of it. One was OK and the other still had some residual walking difficulty, needing a walker.

I wouldn't have known of the risk of GB from the covid vaccine, except that a coworker's future father-in-law got GB after his vaccine and was in rehab for months, paralyzed and slowly regaining the ability to walk. But I don't know which vaccine he received.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 29

brandy1017 said:

That's interesting. I didn't know they had ended the mandate last year. But since they are requiring metrics r/t quality and reimbursement there will still be a lot of pressure from most places to continue the vaccine mandate.

For most of my career, the flu vaccine was optional, but encouraged. Then around 2015 I think, it was decided it was OK to force the flu vaccine with mandates, whatever it took to get the compliance over 90 percent. I don't remember which government agency made that decision, but after that it became mandatory where I worked.

My coworker who refused the covid vaccine, also refused the flu vax and fought for a medical exemption. She had to go thru a committee who would decide if they would except it or if she would lose her job. In the end, she got her exemption, but then had to wear a mask during flu season, but not a TB mask. However, she was let go when she refused the covid vaccine and I heard found a job at a competitor and got an exemption.

I have cared for three patients who got GB after a flu vaccine in my career. For something that is supposed to be so rare, I wonder why I saw and cared for several post flu vaccine GB patients. My first was a fit 70 year old motorcyclist who ended up completely paralyzed but could breathe. Later I heard he did slowly recover over a year's time, but was never OK emotionally from the devastation. The other patients I saw had a history of it. One was OK and the other still had some residual walking difficulty, needing a walker.

I wouldn't have known of the risk of GB from the covid vaccine, except that a coworker's future father-in-law got GB after his vaccine and was in rehab for months, paralyzed and slowly regaining the ability to walk. But I don't know which vaccine he received.

Are you confusing incentives for vaccination with mandates?

K. Everly, BSN, RN · Feb 29

Stick to your guns. Do whatever necessarily to protect your own medical freedom. I will pray you can make this work and I think you can. If you need any support, PM me.

brandy1017, ASN, RN · Feb 29

toomuchbaloney said:

Are you confusing incentives for vaccination with mandates?

I found an article from 2013 discussing mandates. Looks like it was coming from the CDC, CMS and AMA, ANA and in later years the AHA as part of the goal to get to over 90% vaccination. Since they were not reaching the goal voluntarily, they were told it was OK to mandate in order to reach the goal of 90% flu vaccine compliance of their staff.

Excerpt r/t move to flu vaccine mandation of staff.

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"According to the most recent federal data, about 63 percent of U.S. health care workers had flu shots as of November. That's up from previous years, but the government wants 90 percent coverage of health care workers by 2020. ,,,

Some hospitals have achieved 90 percent but many fall short. A government health advisory panel has urged those below 90 percent to consider a mandatory program,,,

Also, the accreditation body over hospitals requires them to offer flu vaccines to workers, and those failing to do that and improve vaccination rates could lose accreditation.

Read in its entirety: Hospitals crack down on staff refusing flu shots

So mandation of the flu vaccine became commonplace almost a decade before the mandatory covid vaccine campaign of healthcare workers.

Candy999 · Mar 4

I was working with an aid who can only get clinicals in our hospital (because she worked there and had connections to get her in clinicals without covid vaccine). As a result she would only take one class a year. You will have to get approved with every clinical site. Some clinical sites are very limited. For example, peds. We have only one ped hospital and I have no idea how you can pass this class. I think, you should not get into nursing if you are against vaccines. We deal with so much ***: AIDS, heps, tb, you name it..... I joke that I get self vaccinated daily, because I naturally inhale, touch. deal with all kind of diseases.

Another thing is that I was working on a Covid floor and when vaccines came out it was such a game changer: patients started coming without any symptoms and had no idea that they had covid. It was beautiful.

nightwingcreations, CNA, LPN · Mar 4

Candy999 said:

"I think, you should not get into nursing if you are against vaccines. We deal with so much ***: AIDS, heps, tb, you name it..... I joke that I get self vaccinated daily, because I naturally inhale, touch. deal with all kind of diseases."

OP didn't say they were against vaccines, just the Covid vaccine.

"Another thing is that I was working on a Covid floor and when vaccines came out it was such a game changer: patients started coming without any symptoms and had no idea that they had covid. It was beautiful. "

This will get me a lot of flack, I know. But you have no proof the vaccine caused that as the virus mutated. I got covid with no symptoms before I was vaccinated. We had about 1/4 of our original patients with very few or no symptoms... Before the vaccine. We have had very ill patients who were completely vaccinated. That is part of the problems people have with it. There is no consistent results.

toomuchbaloney · Mar 4

nightwingcreations said:

That is part of the problems people have with it. There is no consistent results.

Baloney

nightwingcreations, CNA, LPN · Mar 4

toomuchbaloney said:

Baloney

Very nice mature response...