An Indian Brave Knows No Pain?!

Gennaver, MSN · Mar 23, 2007

Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me out...
I was wondering ...if the German saying "Ein Indianer kennt keinen Schmerz" (literal english translation: "An Indian Brave Knows No Pain") has an equivalent in English.
...or is "An Indian Brave Knows No Pain" correct?!
Thanx a lot in advance!

Hello Stuntdouble,

Your reason for posting this here makes little sense to me.

However, as a mixed cultured person, (Native and Euro) I consider re-hashing such stereotypical biases as insulting.

Why not pull up some ancient "Ancient Woodsmen of Germany" stereotypes and apply them or some other such thing? Catch my drift? Meaning, I do not viewe it as approrpriate.

Unless there is some other reason you are seeking dated, stereotypical and prejudicial biases.

Migwetch, (thanks in Ojibwemowin language)

Gen

zenman · Mar 23, 2007

Hello Stuntdouble,
Your reason for posting this here makes little sense to me.
However, as a mixed cultured person, (Native and Euro) I consider re-hashing such stereotypical biases as insulting.
Why not pull up some ancient "Ancient Woodsmen of Germany" stereotypes and apply them or some other such thing? Catch my drift? Meaning, I do not viewe it as approrpriate.
Unless there is some other reason you are seeking dated, stereotypical and prejudicial biases.
Migwetch, (thanks in Ojibwemowin language)
Gen

Maybe she is trying to be more aware of cultural differences between people...a good thing.

Randy

(German, Dutch, Indian, Irish)

sunny59 · Mar 23, 2007

I think it is simply "An Indian does not know pain"

We had to do presentations presenting "stereotypes" of different cultures, and how to avoid/correct them and how damaging they are, in our nursing program. I suspect this is why this question was asked. Not to insult anyone.

There are some very good books available on this subject, look up Cultural Nursing on Amazon - or Google it.

Sunny

German, Irish, Scot

stuntdouble · Mar 23, 2007

I'm really sorry, if I did upset someone with my question, which wasn't meant to insult anyone.

I just was curious about the cultural differences based on the saying in question, curious if it exists (or in a similar way) in English, if it's still in use etc.

I admit the saying sounds quite outdated, political incorrect and even stupid cause Indians feel pain too, but that's not my fault, I did not invented it.

maybe i should have added that the saying is used here in Germany when a kid gets injured and you try to convince the kid that crying is 'uncool'.

so, sorry again.

I think it is simply "An Indian does not know pain"
We had to do presentations presenting "stereotypes" of different cultures, and how to avoid/correct them and how damaging they are, in our nursing program. I suspect this is why this question was asked. Not to insult anyone.
There are some very good books available on this subject, look up Cultural Nursing on Amazon - or Google it.

Thanx Sunny!

Gennaver, MSN · Mar 23, 2007

Maybe she is trying to be more aware of cultural differences between people...a good thing.
Randy
(German, Dutch, Indian, Irish)

Hello Randy,

Possibly this or maybe that, an introduction would have been wise.

Gen

p.s. it would also direct responses more appropriately too

gr8rnpjt, RN · Mar 23, 2007

I live in USA and never heard anyone say this. But when my son cries, I give him a hug and kiss

I have heard the saying, "big boys dont cry" and maybe that comes from the same source.

stuntdouble · Mar 23, 2007

when my son cries, I give him a hug and kiss

yeah that is probably the best thing to do in those cases.

Balder_LPN, LPN · Mar 23, 2007

I live in USA and never heard anyone say this. But when my son cries, I give him a hug and kiss
I have heard the saying, "big boys dont cry" and maybe that comes from the same source.

Oh come on, talk about perpetuating stereotypes. Men have the same right to dosplay emotions as women.

sniff....sniff

tutored · Mar 23, 2007

Hey, Stuntdouble, don't feel so bad...I'm not so sure why you got your head bit off like that...to me, your question was an attempt to understand the meaning behind a saying from a culture different from your own. I used to live in Germany, where I heard that saying once. I explored that colliquialism with a group of german friends (I'm american, obviously), and found out that they have great, great respect and empathy for the continued plight of Native Americans, and how their land and lives were hijacked away. These young germans I met were more informed about the poverty that continues to exist on reservations, than many of our own. As I understood their use of the term (I speak German), it is not a racially-stereotyped saying. What I didn't realize until I moved there was how deeply ashamed many young germans are of their past around WWII. Don't be afraid to post again!

Gennaver, MSN · Mar 24, 2007

Hey, Stuntdouble, don't feel so bad...I'm not so sure why you got your head bit off like that......

Hello,

From where I read it, post number two involves no "biting heads off".

Not sure why you and another poster read it that way but, hey, its your world too.

Gen

p.s. edit: Honor the treaties

tutored · Mar 24, 2007

Hello,
From where I read it, post number two involves no "biting heads off".
Not sure why you and another poster read it that way but, hey, its your world too.
Gen
p.s. edit: Honor the treaties

Hey,, Gen, I'm sure you didn't mean your response to stuntdouble's post to be abrasive, but go back to your original response to her post, looking at your two lines, "your posting makes no sense to me", and, "I find,..... insulting"...next, go to Randy's defense of stuntdouble in post #3, and then read stuntdouble's contrite, apologetic response to your post in her #5 post, and then read my post again, where I, too defended her. Again, I didn't think you meant to sound a tad crabby, but somehow your post caused stuntdouble to apologize in embarassment, while two other nurses jumped to her defense. If I had written a post that caused that reaction, I might re-think my wording. I'm not criticizing you, and, as you said, "it's your world, too", but, in this message, as well, forgive me.....you sound, too me a little cranky. I may be wrong. To leave on a positive note: congratulations for making it to the finish line in nursing school!